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S. 727 would amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit certain conduct relating to the use of horses for human consumption.

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Leah

(logged-in user) March 27, 2009, 1:24pm (report abuse)

Well I get to start this one. What good things could happen again. I am proud that I live in California as the two Senators, Boxer and Feinstein have once again taken up the opportunity to save our horses from the horrors of slaughter.

We already have 14 co-sponsors and that is good news right from the start.

Now between HR 503 and S 727 we will get this done for our horses once and for all.

No more a handful of states and people to keep the horrors of horse slaughter open anymore.

MJNYC

March 28, 2009, 12:26pm (report abuse)

Bravo to Senator Landrieu, Senator Ensign and all the other senators who co-signed. Let's end this barbarism once and for all!

Please, call your senators and ask them to co-sponsor!

I also think it's time to end the option for any one person to block a bill. This is an absurdity. Every bill should have the opportunity of a vote!

Leah

(logged-in user) March 28, 2009, 3:10pm (report abuse)

I really see this bill as having teeth in it that will help our horses from the horrendous torture they are going through these days.

Horse slaughter is just as bad as abandonment as that is what one is doing when they send their horses to the slaughter box.

I am grateful that I live in the great state of California, despite its crazy governor, but glad we took the steps to stop horse slaughter years ago. Only bad part is enforcement.

We need to address this as well.

If there had been a humane way to slaughter horses it would have been done years ago, but we see that is not true.

It would cost to much to do the right thing, but even the right thing in some minds is still torture and a cruel death for the horses with slaughter.

Rich Russom

March 28, 2009, 3:14pm (report abuse)

Poet and author Pam Brown once said, “A horse is the projection of people’s dreams about themselves – strong, powerful, and beautiful – and it has the capability of giving us an escape from our mundane existence.” Ms. Brown’s words, I believe, are an accurate assessment of why so many Americans revere the Equus caballus. I Hope & Pray that HR 503 and S 727 will once and for all

protect our Horses from Brutal Slaughter!

CJ

March 28, 2009, 3:28pm (report abuse)

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT BELOW

(3/09)A bill to ban horse slaughter was introduced in the United States Senate today. Sponsored by Senators Mary Landrieu (D-LA) and John Ensign (R-NV), the Landrieu/Ensign \"Prevention of Equine Cruelty Act\" will end the slaughter of American horses here and abroad. The sponsors, who have long championed the cause, were joined by 12 other Senators who signed onto the bill before it was even introduced....comes at a time when horse slaughter no longer occurs on American...tens of thousands of American horses continue to be shipped to Canada, MexicO...for a torturous death....three remaining horse slaughter plants...were shut down in 2007 under state law... the pro-slaughter camp has led a concerted and disingenuous effort to resurrect the industry domestically, and has used scare tactics in an attempt to defeat the federal ban.For More Information:

Chris Heyde, 202-446-2142

Animal Welfare Institute www.awionline.org/joinus.

Lin

(logged-in user) March 28, 2009, 6:52pm (report abuse)

I pray every night that the people of American will see that horse slaughter is a despicable business and the only ones that profit are the Belgium butchers and breeders/Senators. These people do not care that horses are butchered alive. All they care about is $$$$.

Horse Slaughter is an American disgrace.

Save the horses

Thomas Lee Trevino

March 28, 2009, 9:20pm (report abuse)

Its about time elected officals get the move on. I cant amagine how many horses have suffered abused, and neglected from the owner to the auctions to the killers and on route to the plants. Officals see the sellouts taking action but not responsiblity. If America doesnt start pushing responsiblity more foreigners will come here and profit off us responsible people. www.fatimabrand.com is the new company in the Cavel Building and yes they are foreigners too. Great to live in America good jobs go overseas and crapy jobs comes to america owned by foreigners catering to foreigners. IF only the Pro slaughter folks would wake up and smell reality..

Pat in Wyoming

March 28, 2009, 10:00pm (report abuse)

Bravo Landrieu and Ensign!!!! You are horse hero\'s to us all! Thank you for standing up for the horses! May this be the year that we remember horse slaughter stopped for American horses! http://louisiana-aahsbloggingupdates.blogspot.com

Robin W.

March 28, 2009, 10:17pm (report abuse)

Lets get this passed this time!! I'll vote for change!

vicki

(logged-in user) March 28, 2009, 11:53pm (report abuse)

We have the support in both houses and the pro folks know it. Let the bills go to the floor for a vote this time around.

www.vickitobin.com

PASS HR 503 & S 727 End the Cruelty and Abuse of our Horses

Olivia

March 29, 2009, 12:38am (report abuse)

Ditto Leah, except for CA residence.

Let's get this done. Ensign and Landrieu deserve to have their courage in going up against the horse breeders and the cattle industry rewarded.

Mary Jones

March 29, 2009, 1:35am (report abuse)

Let's get this done! Put teeth into laws not meat. Just visit NetPosse to see how many stolen pets are missing...and how many found in the hide pile of kill yards. Stop the lies!

M in Mass

March 29, 2009, 9:02am (report abuse)

Millions of us are waiting for the passage of HR 503 and S 727 Our American horses deserve our love and support...our nation was first explored and developed on the backs of horses..that pulled wagons...and carts and fire trucks to build this nation. They are noble symbols of our American Spirit..and are loving companions as horses we ride and care for...we cannot let the culinary habits of far off lands dictate to us and perpetuate this form a cruelty known as horse slaughter!

I am so proud of our senators and reps who have bravely and noblely sponsored and supported this legislation! Mary

Sue, Florida

March 29, 2009, 9:57am (report abuse)

The United States is supposed to be a LEADER of the world. Let's set an example and not be killing what is uniquely American, our wild horses, for others' dinner tables!

PJG

March 29, 2009, 10:45am (report abuse)

Vote and pass HR 503 and S 727. It is time!!!!!

Dawn in MI

March 29, 2009, 1:34pm (report abuse)

The cruel and senseless slaughter of horses has been going on long enough. Its time to end it once and for all. My horses are not livestock, they are pets - devoted, sentinent friends. My nearly slaughtered rescue horse hangs out in my garage with me, at my patio table and follows me around like a big puppy dog. He would have been dead and gone, along with his mother - had those that view him as meat had their way. Maybe not all horse owners can say that their horses are like mine - but all horses COULD be like mine if given the chance and the love that they deserve. I would say, though, that most Americans would agree that its time to protect our horses and pass this bill!

Diana

March 29, 2009, 2:20pm (report abuse)

Thank you Senators Landrieu and Ensign, and all other senators who have co-signed this bill which will give our horses the protection from slaughter that they so desperately need and deserve. Every 5 minutes, and American horse is brutally, cruelly slaughtered to satisfy the appetites of wealthy overseas diners. This tragedy has gone on long enough and must stop.

Come on folks, let's get this bill passed!

Vote YES on S. 727 and HR 503.

Sharon in NJ

March 29, 2009, 2:33pm (report abuse)

I am very proud of both my Senators for stepping up on this bill.

Senator Landrieu did a fantastic job on presenting numbers of the horse population going to slaughter and painting a picture of the truth of slaughter.

Love that every single issue was mentioned with a plan.

There in NO reason why this bill lingers in yet another committee.

I want to thank Senator Landrieu, Senator Ensign and all the Senators already signed on this bill for being our voice, but most importantly, being the voice of those who cannot speak who are suffering this nightmare every single day!

Open up the Government funded feedlots to feed the horses to live instead of feeding them while they wait for the slaughtertruck to die.

Iris in Ark.

March 29, 2009, 5:12pm (report abuse)

I want to thank Senator Landrieu, Ensign and all the other Senators for giving the Horses a voice, thank GOD for you guy's.

Christine Carroll

March 29, 2009, 9:01pm (report abuse)

Many thanks to these awesome Senators who will put an end to the horrors that await our horses once and for all..Let the U.S. set an example as to how others should follow..As to summarize Ghandi, A nation and it's moral progress can be judged by the way it's Animals are treated.I don't want my children to grow up in a world where such disgusting practices exist.

Kristina

March 29, 2009, 9:59pm (report abuse)

Lets get this passed. Get the truth out to all. Knowledge of the horrors will hopefully end this horrible practice.

MJ Wilson

March 30, 2009, 12:13am (report abuse)

Hats off to these wonderful senators. Let's get HR 503, and S 727 passed soon and stop the atrocities.

Pam Deline

March 30, 2009, 8:08am (report abuse)

Hope this bill get passed this year.

JoWilson

March 30, 2009, 8:21am (report abuse)

Ditto, Thank-you to our sentors for moving these bills forward. This is the year of change. May this move help bring about responsible horse ownership as well as responsible breeding!

Sen. Ed Butcher, Mont

March 30, 2009, 9:45am (report abuse)

People have to be able to separate horses as "animals" from "companions and pets." No one is required to send their favorite horse to a processing plant, but some horses are mean and nasty animals or in other wise unsuitable for human use. Horses are in fact private property and owners in most jusidictions pay taxes on them so it is illegal for legislation to restrict their use. Most of Europe, China, Japan, and many other countries enjoy horse meat as a major food source--none in America should be required to eat horse meat, but we should not restrict horse owners to sell unusable horses to meat processors--it is the choice of the horse owner if they want to cremate, bury, or stuff "trigger" and keep him in their living room. People who love horeses have to remember to only a small percentage of these animals become great companions--the others must have a humane place to be disposed of. This legislation is promoted by naive, radical "nuts."

Anita

March 30, 2009, 10:47am (report abuse)

Horses are not pets. Horses are not an animal the average Joe can go out and buy and train like puppies and kittens. They are not easily adoptable as pets. These animals have to be trained by someone that has invested a great deal of time and money into the knowledge required to turn these livestock into something that can safely cohabit with humans. Those that have tried to buy an unconditioned horse have learned the hard way that they will have to choose: 1.Invest time and money in an education on how to condition the animal to safe behaviors. 2. Sell it and buy one someone else as conditioned. 3.Hire someone to fix the mistakes and recondition the animal if possible. 4.Live with it and try not to get hurt. Horses instinctively need to have a pecking order and will kick and bite to establish it. A cow, sheep or pig would be a safer option as a "Pet", they are naturally more docile as evidenced by the way they treat one another. VOTE NO

Lin

(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 10:54am (report abuse)

statement from a horse slaughter worker...Who's tne nut around here?

"A lot of people own little farms they don't live on," he said, "just places where they hold horses

and feed them. Pet horses, riding horses in good condition, some of them young. These guys

would bring them in at night. We didn't have no night shift then. The boss needed more meat to

ship to Belgium. We'd stay over after the USDA doc left, or go back in the middle of the night. The

boss would have the accountant put an extra bonus on our checks, twenty dollars for each horse.

We'd kill anything from thirty to forty horses at night."

"What about USDA inspections?"

"They weren't inspected."

"And the inspector wouldn't notice the extra horses in the morning?" I asked.

"Everything is moving so fast," he replied. "He'd never know."

"How many times did you do this?"

"Quite a few. Maybe ten times."

"How'd they handle the horses that couldn't walk?" I asked.

LIN

(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 10:55am (report abuse)

"If he's down on the truck, down in the manure, and he don't want to move," he said, "or if the

horse is injured or sick or pregnant, or maybe he's done a split and can't get up- you try to pull him

up by the tail. Or stick a two- by- four under him, try to pick him up. Or hit him with the shocker.

There are times we took a boning knife and stuck them in the rectum till they bleed to make them

get up."

LIN

(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 10:57am (report abuse)

"If the horse is kicking, how do you know it's not just a muscle reaction?"

"See, that was my department. I did it so long," he replied. "He'd cry out. Cry and kick. And he'd be

choking from the blood, still blowing out air, and I'd start skinning the head."

"How long do they usually have to bleed out?" I asked.

"The sticker and the header is the same person," he said. "You move so fast you don't have time

to wait till a horse bleeds out. You skin him as he bleeds. Sometimes horses' heads are still down

in the blood, sucking up the same blood from some other horse. 'Cause a horse is so long, his

nose is down in the blood, blowing bubbles, and he suffocates." "See," he continued, "a job like

that, is a job of cruelty. You don't have no conscience. All you think about is you making your

money, you doing your job."

Debbi

March 30, 2009, 12:34pm (report abuse)

I encourage a vote of NO on this proposed legislation. The scenario described by Lin above is terrible, but it describes a criminal act. The laws are already in place to make this a viable alternative to horse owners for horses that are unwanted. This would be similar to saying people can't drive their cars because some have traffic violations. Police the industry with the sound laws that are already in place. Catch the law breakers and punish them. This issue is too large for the government to fund - they already have their hands full wondering how to pay back all this stimulus money. It is also counter to the free enterprise that made this the great nation it is to make personal property worthless in this manner. The problems will only get bigger if this legislation is passed.

Ronnie G. Massachusetts

March 30, 2009, 1:05pm (report abuse)

Senator Landrieu stated it all! Concise, to the point and backed up by documented facts. My powerful Senators in Massachusetts are against the slaughter of American horses. And they are horse owners. Horse lovers. But not the kind who say they "love horses" but have no objection to sending their "beloved" horses off to the intense suffering and torture of horse slaughter butchery. "Betrayal" is putting it mildly!

To Anita

March 30, 2009, 1:11pm (report abuse)

A horse is not a pet? Like a dog or cat? Aren't you the Anita who thinks America should start supplying dog meat to the Asian community? I wouldn't trust YOUR judgement on what a pet is.

Pass S727

Shelia

March 30, 2009, 1:15pm (report abuse)

I encourage a vote NO to this bill. It is more humane to have unwanted horses disposed of at a regulated facility than it is to have them turned loose and starved to death and not being taken care of like they are now. This will only make the problem worse. Please vote NO.

Lin

(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 2:27pm (report abuse)

Shelia Debbie and Anita. you would rather see them butchered alive? This is not just one criminal act...this is horse slaughter, every single day and why? we have people that are suppling horses for slaughter and it is called over breeding. I am a horse owner, I love them. you can think of all the excuses you want....NOTHING justifies this disgusting business.

Save the Horses, get this bill past.

get a clue

March 30, 2009, 2:36pm (report abuse)

you all need to read this paper- if you impose this ban, you will throwing gasoline on an already raging fire! VOTE NO!! http://www.unitedhorsemensfront.org/uploads/documents/Utah%20Study.pdf

Steve B

March 30, 2009, 2:38pm (report abuse)

Stob overbreeding, make thoroughbred owners and trainers more reposnsible and give stiffer penalties to those who wont comply. protect our horses from slaughter and support all bills against it.

This bill has nothing to do with horses being pets or not. They are part of the American landscape adn do so much for us. We dont eat them, and thus dont need to slaughter them for profit. Horses can be rescued and rehabilitated. Keep horse slaughter out of this country.

STEVE B

March 30, 2009, 2:39pm (report abuse)

Sheila,

Go to a horse slaughter plant and watch what happens. I have, you are f***ing nuts if you think its a more humane way to die.

Debbie J

March 30, 2009, 2:43pm (report abuse)

I pray every night that this bill will finally be passed. After everything that horses have done for man, at the end of their lives, they deserve a dignified death -- not in a slaughter house!

Dan, Utah

March 30, 2009, 2:44pm (report abuse)

These bills are irresponsible. Do the supporters intend to provide a home and financial support for these unwanted horses? I doubt it.

camp mom

March 30, 2009, 3:03pm (report abuse)

I hope it does NOT pass. I do understand the problem; I have taken in \\\"rescue\\\" horses(2 in the last month), but there are not enough resourses to take them all in. People fail to see that to be a responsible owner it can cost over $1500.00 per year to take care of them, our farm has 17 head that we take care of with no outside funds. I have first hand seen more abuse/neglect because of the current situation of no US slaughter plants. People are leaving horses tied to others\' trailers, leaving them at the sale barn tied up. Come to the Midwest and see it. I don\'t raise horses, but help children learn to ride with a wide variety of types of horses. I have a lot of \"second-hand\" horses. However not all can be used because of temperment, major unsoundness issues or just of lack of training at an old age. There has to be an outlet for these horses. I don\'t think people can have a true understanding unless they have been here and paid to save a horse of two.

Ellieroo

March 30, 2009, 3:05pm (report abuse)

This country is better than one who would turn its back on the horse who is the one animal that has walked in step with our own in this nations developement from coast to coast.These bills need to pass Now. For the horses!

LIN

(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 3:09pm (report abuse)

Ya know what Dan, if horse owners took responsibility for the horses they bring into this world you wouldn\\\'t be asking that. When horse slaughter is not an option, you\\\'ll just have to take care of all the foals you bred, like or not. You won\\\'t be able to use horse slaughter for an easy way out and get paid for it. It\\\'s dispecable. BUTCHERED ALIVE. ANIMAL ABUSE AND THAT\\\'S THE BOTTOM LINE. SAVE THE HORSES

Lynn

March 30, 2009, 3:37pm (report abuse)

You people don't even know what your talking about. Get educated see what is really happening to our beloved horses because they haver already stopped the slaughter of horses. I've eaten horse. There is nothing wrong with eating horse. There is more abuse going on right now due to not having a place to send unwanted horses. Get the facts straight.

FURY

March 30, 2009, 3:46pm (report abuse)

YOU GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT, AMERICAN HORSES ARE BUTCHERED ALIVE EVERY SINGLE DAY IN CANADA AND MEXICO, THEY ARE NOT USDA INSPECTED. JUST THINK OF ALL THE WORMER AND VACINES IN HORSE MEAT.

HORSES ARE NOT COWS, THE MAJORITY OF AMERICAN HORSES ARE PETS. YOU PROBERLY EAT DOG AND CAT TOO.

SAVE THE HORSES

Diana

March 30, 2009, 3:56pm (report abuse)

Roughly 2% of all US horses that die every year are slaughtered; which means that roughly 98% of the remaining horses that die have owners who cared enough to do the right thing and either the horses died of natural causes or were humanely euthanized. Slaughter IS NOT humane euthanasia; on the contrary, it is cruel and abusive to horses and should be banned forever.

However, 2% of horses dying annually still equates to 100,000 horses being brutally butchered each year and this is not only unacceptable, it is completely unnecessary. There are plenty of humane options available to horse owners who can no longer keep a horse for what ever reason.

www.kaufmanzoning.com

Pass S727 and HR503. Stop the cruelty.

Dee

March 30, 2009, 3:59pm (report abuse)

Horse Slaughter Facts:

According to the USDA, 92.3% of American horses exported for slaughter are healthy.

Legally, up to 10% of horses could be butchered alive when the US plants were open.

Legally, foals over 6 mos. old may be exported for slaughter.

Legally, horses trucked to slaughter may go for over 24 hours without food or water.

Over 800,000 US horses die annually from causes other than slaughter and are either buried or rendered in the US with no negative environmental effects.

Since California banned horse slaughter in 1998, horse theft has dropped by over 84%.

According to the Veterinarians for Equine Welfare, horse slaughter "is a brutal and predatory business."

The average cost of having a horse humanely euthanized and safe carcass disposal is approximately $225 which is less than two months worth of average horse care costs.

camp mom

March 30, 2009, 4:12pm (report abuse)

Lynn, you are right. There is more abuse right now than when there were slaughter plants open.

At least if we have a plant in the US, it will be regulated. I have had to put horses down over the years for various health issues. It is not a pleasant experience, but for a lot of horses today it is a better option than the life they are living now. There are a lot of people who have an unwanted horse, but know that it isn\'t worth anything, the rescues are full, and won\'t spend the money to have it put down and picked up, so they just feed it enough as to not get turned in. Of course they don\'t deworm or give vaccines...or trim feet. That is not a life for a horse. This is why we need to NOT pass the legislation. There needs to be that option. These people that are for it need to come look and see what neglect really looks like. I am a horse lover, but also a realist.

KN

March 30, 2009, 4:19pm (report abuse)

HUMANE DEATH?

#1 This horse is hit in the shoulder by the mis-aimed captive bolt gun, causing more pain and trauma

#2 Wounded but conscious the suffering victim is hit again & again by the captive bolt

#1 A panicked victim struggles to gain footing on the slippery blood-soaked floor of the kill chute.

#2 Finally steady, the horse is shot but she remains conscious.

#3 Still struggling, she is shot a 3rd time.

#1 Aware of the peril she faces, this horse repeatedly attempts to avoid the captive bolt gun

#2 The horror continues as the doomed horse continues to evade death. She looks toward her killer with eyes wide with terror. If she is looking for mercy, there is none.

#3 Finally, her killer succeeds in blasting her skull, but even after 3 shots she is still moving

A still moving victim is ejected from the kill chute

The camera pans to the kill chute just a few feet away--a victim is hit 4 times w/the captive bolt gun

Videos at:

http://www.sharkonline.org/?P=0000000528

Diana

March 30, 2009, 4:27pm (report abuse)

IF there is more abuse right now, and that's a pretty big unsubstantiated IF, it isn't because of lack of slaughter as an option. American horses are still being slaughtered in the same numbers as they were when the US plants were open, in fact, 20,000 more US horses were slaughtered in 2008 than in 2007.

Slaughter is still currently an option, US horses are still being bought by killer buyers at US auctions and shipped to slaughter in Canada and Mexico. What this proves is that if horse are truly being abused in greater numbers, slaughter does NOT prevent abuse/neglect/abandonment, it does however, perpetuate, hide, and reward these criminal actions.

Vote YES on S727 and HR503. Stop the cruelty.

Lin

(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 4:35pm (report abuse)

Hello Camp Mom what don\'t you understand about butchering a horse alive? Get a vet and have the horse put down and call a rendering company if you can\'t bury him/her. Horse slaughter can not be an option. this bill needs to be passed.

Speaking my peace

March 30, 2009, 5:03pm (report abuse)

Lin, you are the one that does not know what you are talking about. Stop trying to take away our rights. We love our animals as much as you do and we know there is a better way. Vote no to this bill.

vicki

(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 5:17pm (report abuse)

Sen Butcher, your senate vote won by only 4 votes. 23 senators did not support the legislation. I’m sure they will appreciate you calling them naïve, radical, nuts. In reality, they did their homework and didn’t fall for the pro slaughter propaganda campaign. The best was your assessment of all the abandoned horses. Perhaps in your state, 14 horses is a tsunami. Build your plant, and let it sit because you cannot operate legally in the US.

BTW-check with your lawyers. The rights of citizens that have had their horse stolen and sent to slaughter out trumps the rights of citizens wanting to send their horse to slaughter. There are already laws that prohibit you from disposing of your “property” in any manner you chose.

www.vickitobin.com

vicki

(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 5:20pm (report abuse)

Lynn, it would wis to do some research before you post. Slaughter has not stopped. Over 120,000 American horses were slaughtered last year. Anyone wishing to send their horse to slaughter can still do so.

vicki

(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 5:22pm (report abuse)

Speaking my peace, nobody has the right to abuse animals.

Dan, Utah

March 30, 2009, 5:24pm (report abuse)

Lin,

Do you own any horses? You obviously don\'t based on your reply. Most horse owners do take responsibility for our animals whether we bred them or bought them(of course there are exceptions). If we follow your logic, we would have to stop slaughter of all animals for human consumption.

MaggiefromOK

March 30, 2009, 5:31pm (report abuse)

The average age of a slaughtered horse is 7 years. We have 11 equines here in Oklahoma, 8 over the age of 7 years. In doing some quick figures, we spend over $11,000 a year on those "older" equines. That is $11,000 a year into the local economy. Once a horse is dead, that's it! It doesn't contribute to the local economy any longer. Think about that please. I am against the cruel and inhumane slaughter of horses. Mine will be put down by a vet and buried when their time comes.

Diana

March 30, 2009, 5:40pm (report abuse)

Dan, that is not true; we don't slaughter our dogs and cats but that hasn't stopped slaughter of other species. Horses perform similar functions in our society as dogs, i.e. they are pet, companion, work, service, law enforcement, sport, and therapy animals. Horses are NOT raised as food animals, Americans don't eat horse meat, and we don't want our horses being brutally slaughtered to feed wealthy overseas diners. Let them eat their own horses, dogs and cats.

What do we do with a dangerous dog in this country? I can tell you this - we don't slaughter it, we have it humanely euthanized, even dogs that have killed people. Sorry, the "dangerous" horse argument doesn't hold any water. And yes, I have horses, including several rescued from slaughter and there is not a thing wrong with any of them, they are great riding horses with great dispositions. I know a guy who had a "dangerous" horse that was put down and later autopsied, turns out the horse had a brain tumor.

Bill Smith

March 30, 2009, 5:59pm (report abuse)

Sen. Ed Butcher,

You state: "Horses are in fact private property and owners in most jusidictions pay taxes on them so it is illegal for legislation to restrict their use." Please go back to school and get an education. A car or truck is also private property and owners in most jurisdictions pay taxes on them and everything you do with them is legislated.

Dan, Wyoming

March 30, 2009, 6:22pm (report abuse)

There needs to an out for all animals. It needs to be humane. I'm sure that you are blood coating a lot of your statements. You havent seen many horses left at a sale barn because some focks desided they would rather feed their kids or the poor horse that has had a great life then getts hirt. So are we now going to beary all of the unwanted horses. Great for the vets and the backhoe operators. We are taxed and regulated to death as it is. Next it will be your beef cow and your wendys burger. Life is not always far. but at least give us the option of being Americans to choice what we fell is right and just.You probably love the CANADIAN GRAY WOLVES they rammed down our throats.Now you talk about cruil when they pull down a moose and eat on it until they are done or eat on it till it goes into shock or they just leave it partly eaten to die when ever. Or they just kill it out right and leave it just for fun.

Jen in Ohio

March 30, 2009, 6:26pm (report abuse)

I don't know about anywhere else but here locally there are people dumping horses like they do dogs and cats. I personally have a neighbor who left for work one day and when he came home there were 5 horses in his field and a note that said "Sorry, we cannot afford them anymore....". Who says my neighbor can afford them. Normally if you got in a jam you could at least drop them off at the stock yards. You can't do that anymore, even a well bred registered horse won't bring $50 around here. The horse market is in the toilet and we have horses that will still starve to death anyway so why not have the slaughterhouse? Which death is worse? To me they both are the same. Wake up people, you may help 10 horses here and 5 horses there but you cannot help them all and most people can't afford to donate money. Slaughter has been going on for eons. Next I'll hear we can't slaughter our cattle! VOTE NO!

D. Masters

March 30, 2009, 6:28pm (report abuse)

Bill Smith & Diana:

Bravo! Bravo! Intelligent, well researched counter points. But I have to give Mr. Butcher points for having the guts to post. Now let's see if he has the guts to stand and fight for his position, instead of backroom policy and promise making with his buds.

Mr. Butcher, you breed horses? What breed and for what?

PASS SB727

JF

March 30, 2009, 6:32pm (report abuse)

We are a civilized Nation!

This atrocity will soon be exposed to all and soon ended!

This is the Year for Change.

Many reputable people are behind the passage of this bill and it will be law.

Evil will not prevail!

D. Masters

March 30, 2009, 6:35pm (report abuse)

Jen in Ohio:

You have one of the most infamous kill auctions in the US...Sugarcreek. Why did your neighbor get 5 mystery horses? Please state the county so we can verify this report. No names...just county and approximate date.

And NO, you are incorrect...a starving horse in the field has a chance at another life; the stolen, dumped or abused horse in the killbox has NONE! Plus the meat has no production record or full drug testing for humans to eat confidently.

PASS SB727

Elle-Manes & Tails Org

March 30, 2009, 6:38pm (report abuse)

To 'Representative Sen' Ed Butcher:

Horses are classified as companion animals by the AVMA. Horses are service animals when they are part of a Mounted Police Unit - they occupy the same ethical sphere as do the dogs on the K-9 forces.

Horses serve as therapy animals for war veterans from Iraq with severe head injuries. The horses also serve as therapy animals for people with diseases such as Multiple Sclerosis.

Horses are incredible athletes, 'Secretariat' is ranked as the 25th best athlete of all time.

The 'Takings Clause' to the 5th Amendment of the Bill of Rights does not protect horse owners who want to slaughter their horses; the rights of people whom have had their horses stolen and slaughtered 'trump' the rights of those who want to slaughter their horse. They suffer irrevocable material and psychological harm.

Finally, horse slaughter is a violation of the Humane Slaughter Act of 1958, there is no way to slaughter a horse and comply with that statute.

Susan NY

March 30, 2009, 6:43pm (report abuse)

The fact that the horse market is in the "toilet" has nothing to do with slaughter - as many or more were slaughtered in 2008 as ever, maybe more than 2007. As President Bill Clinton said, it's the economy, stupid."

The fact is, the # slaughtered is because of foreign demand, not how many we are breeding here. Though the economy is a problem, the bigger problem are the Octomoms of the Horse business, breeding & buying horses they can't care for and expecting to get a few hundred bucks by the pound when it doesn't work out.

It's wrong to say that horse slaughter is a humane alternative to anything. Nothing justifies what happens to horses in transport and slaughter where many, many are fully conscious while they get their throats slit.

We need to work on the supply side: Stop overbreeding, especially Quarter Horses, culling QH for perfect color, and wake up to the fact that responsible horse ownership needs a helping hand.

Elle-Manes &Tails Org

March 30, 2009, 6:44pm (report abuse)

Dear Representative Senator Buthcher,

Please visit this page on my website:

http://www.manesandtailsorganization.org/state_actions.html

You have a lot to learn, and you are not a major player in the slaughter game.

Ellen-Cathryn Nash

http://www.manesandtailsorganization.org

Deb Lewis

March 30, 2009, 6:52pm (report abuse)

In reply to Butcher on the fact very few horses become good companions?

Guess horses don\\\\\\\'t care much for you, and you are speaking from experience? Arent you a breeder?

Usually a \\\\\\\"bad\\\\\\\" horse has had humans abuse it if it is hard to handle.

\\\\\\\"CHIEF\\\\\\\" Butcher, do you know what kind of people work in slaughter facilities.?

Sadly those that leave a horse behind in the pasture, do not approve of slaughter for their horse.

It is not the job of America to provide our horses to feed your friends in France,& Japan etc.

Those countries have little humane laws either.

This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. If you want to endorse slaughter plants for horses your invited to go live in Europe.

YES YES YES ON SB 727

AMERICA IS ANTI HORSE SLAUGHTER

Susan NY

March 30, 2009, 6:57pm (report abuse)

Sen Butcher: Beg to differ on your statistics. In NY State, 85% of horses are considered "Companion" and the vast majority of the voters support the ban on horse slaughter. We are tired of NY horses being stolen and sold at the Unadilla NY auction to Nickerson's (Bainbridge, NY) then shipped up the Adirondack Northway - voted "America's Most Scenic Highway" to Richelieu, Quebec for slaughter.

Just last week, Nickerson's told a reporter the evidence showing horse slaughter's gruesome humane violations was "faked" and horse slaugther was OK to do because, to quote: "We make a nice living at it."

Let's be honest about why horse slaughter exists, shall we? It's about the money.

Let's talk some dollars and cents: The NY Equine industry provides $2.4 Billion a year to the NY economy, and employs a quarter million people. Almost 90% New Yorkers want horse slaughter stopped, and we vote!

Jen in Ohio

March 30, 2009, 7:01pm (report abuse)

D. Masters - Clinton County within the last 12 months. I don't think a report was taken because he just turned them loose. We don't even have a "humane" society around here. There used to be some time ago but that lady passed away. So those horses that are starving and dying in the fields don't have an "out", no one to save them. So to me that is the same. All you people think you're saving these horses from slaughter because it's banned the US, that just means they will go somewhere you don't have control and still have the same fate they would have here, were it could be regulated. I'm sure those slaughterhouses in Canada & Mexico were in tip top shape when we went to inspect because they knew we were coming. I bet the "inhumane" methods were back in business after we left. Whether you are prokill or not there is a problem with over population in horses, and at least slaughter was a type of population control for people who don't have the guts to euthanize.

camp mom

March 30, 2009, 7:14pm (report abuse)

I do put my money where why mouth is; we put about $15-20,000 per year in our camper horses that we don't get paid for, we donate our time and horses to a local camp. I cry when I have to have the vet out to put one down. They are buried on our farm... I do know how the cyle

of life goes...

I have taken a chance on horses no one else would. Like I said, unless you have been putting the money and time and effort into helping to eliminate the problem, don't try to legistlate the horse business. There is a place for a slaughter plant in the US, It is needed-maybe not for my retired horses, but some that are rogues-which I have seen, or are beyond helping rehab. I question whether some people trying to stop the legislation have ever had horse manure on their boots?! Thanks!

Nona

March 30, 2009, 7:15pm (report abuse)

I believe it was a past Senator from Montana that stated he felt the horse slaughter facilities need to have more humane slaughter methods.

As well, he stated the the \\\\\\\"illegals\\\\\\\" they hired were bad shots, and the horses suffered.

Butcher needs a place to send his horses that he BREEDS AND CANT AFFORD TO FEED.

I agree with another person that posted; Butcher needs some proper education on horse slaughter.

www.kaufmanzoning.net

www.kaufmanzoning.net/foiaphotos.html And the fact a slaughter plant for horses would be a boost for the economy? LOL.....

http://www.animallawcoalition.com/horse-slaughter/article/686

Breeders who do not get proper color or confirmation need slaughter for their \\\\\\\'UNWANTED HORSES.\\\\\\\"

AQH are the most popular breed ending in slaughter.

Butcher represents the underworld of horse slaughter; he knows its brutal and wants pro slaughter activity exempt from the required inspections.

Adaleigh Randall

March 30, 2009, 7:16pm (report abuse)

Slaughter is all wrong for the USA..It is a cruel,nasty business.Horses are full of drugs,veneral disease and other diseases.Butcher,you and your little-bitty friends just don\\\'t get it do you?.You and your supporters are just like all of the other shamed,dishonest CEOs in the country.Sneaky,greedy and morally bankrupt.PASS SB 727

Jen in Ohio

March 30, 2009, 7:24pm (report abuse)

AMEN CAMP MOM! And I applaud you for your work. It takes special people to do what you do. Thanks.

vicki

(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 7:32pm (report abuse)

Jen in Ohio, there you go with the invented pro slaughter slippery slope. This about horse slaughter, not livestock slaughter. Thank you for confirming our point that slaughter isn’t about a disposal option, it is about greed. They don’t get paid enough so you’re saying they’ll commit crimes by neglecting or abandoning their horses. Just more pro slaughter propaganda. Over 120,000 horses were slaughtered last year so your argument that slaughter isn’t available is an outright lie. The folks abandoning their horses don’t send them to slaughter for the same reason they didn’t when the domestic plants were open. Neglect and abandonment have no correlation to the availability or presence of a slaughter house. Do some research before you post. If the abandonments weren’t reported, they are hearsay or more made up stories to justify your stance.

Bonnie

March 30, 2009, 7:50pm (report abuse)

Vicki - You are smart, logical and you know the history and the truth of horse slaughter. However, this lot of pro-slaughter imbeciles is a waste of your time and education.

They only want to make a buck! These are not up-standing/model citizens. They are idiots and the lowest of the low. I would certainly cross the street to meet one, but only to spit in his eye.

Dan, Utah

March 30, 2009, 7:52pm (report abuse)

Diana, Who said anything about dangerous animals? This argument is about the slaughter of horses for human consumption. How do we dispose if we euthanize? Bury them on your land? I don't want them. Slaughter has been the practical solution for many years. We need to control it just like we do cattle or other animals. There is a market whether you like it or not. When are you going after the other livestock markets?

Dave D

March 30, 2009, 7:55pm (report abuse)

Let me start with Idiotic, redundant statement 1. Vicki says "Anyone wishing to send their horse to slaughter still can"

Response. If you can find an auction yard to sell one at, you may be lucky to get .10 cents a pound. So a 1000lb horse is worth $100. bucks. The auction probably would have a $50 min. commission and a $50 entry charge. Sometimes more than that.

Now for the mathmatically challenged. We went from .80 cents a pound now to .10. Hmmm, doesn't seem like it would take .70 per pound to get a horse over the border does it. So what is the cause of this huge decline in the price? Let me speak sslloowwllyy Vicki, USDA inspected meat is worth more on the world market.

So to say that anyone can send a horse to slaughter if they way is just plain head in the sand B*llsh*t and you know it Vicki.

vicki

(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 7:59pm (report abuse)

Dan, more propaganda. Yes, there is a market but not in the US. If there was buck to be made, the meat wouldn’t have been shipped overseas. Horses are not food animals in our country. We slaughter animals that we consume. If the Europeans want to eat horses, they can butcher their horses. Horses perform the same functions in society as dogs and we do not allow Asians to slaughter our dogs for their markets. Livestock do not and cannot perform the functions that horses perform. Still haven’t seen any livestock running in the Derby, being used in law enforcement or therapy, performing dressage, used for transportation and the list goes on and on.

www.vickitobin.com

Bonnie Talking Dirty

March 30, 2009, 7:59pm (report abuse)

I have something for you to spit on Bonnie.

Anita

March 30, 2009, 8:00pm (report abuse)

Horses are a US commodity. Horses are an export commodity we can use to bring outside money in to help offset our national debt. the economic stimulus anti slaughter's speak of only stimulates circulation of the money within our borders. We need to look at the bigger picture. It would be more cost efficient for taxpayers to strengthen enforcement/regulation of already existing laws, than to create more laws to regulate. We also do not need to place more burden on taxpayers with more rescues/dependents in our country. We have enough of that with our human welfare programs.

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