P.L. 111-377, The Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Improvements Act of 2010 (30 comments ↓ | 10 wiki edits: view article ↓)

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S. 3447 would amend title 38, United States Code, to improve educational assistance for veterans who served in the Armed Forces after September 11, 2001.

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May 28, 2010, 3:55pm (report abuse)

Attention Veterans: Senator Akaka of Hawaii has introduced legislation (S.3447) to “improve” the Post 9-11 GI Bill. These changes will not improve the Post 9-11 GI Bill. Instead, they are designed to chip away at it. The new legislation would prorate the housing stipend so that students get less if they're enrolled less than full time. This would be fine if classes were always available. But if you're close to completing your degree or if your state is budget-cut happy, you might not be able to get the classes you need to enroll full-time. A prorated stipend means that every semester you'll face the prospect of financial upheaval, depending on how many units you can get. Senator Akaka's changes will not improve the GI Bill. They're trying to dismantle it. Just like they did with the Montgomery GI Bill. Call/write your senator and congress-person to let them know you don't support Senator Akaka's changes to the Post 9-11 GI Bill.


June 2, 2010, 8:20am (report abuse)

This bill finally addresses the inequity between the Post 9/11 GI Bill and the VA Vocational Rehabilitation Program for disabled veterans injured in Iraq/Afghanistan; who have been unjustly underpaid a living stipend. Where I live, could recieve $1300 per month under the New GI Bill, but under Vocational Rehab, I only receive $675. The Vocational Rehab program is much harder to get into with disability percentages and red tape. Those who are injured deserve the same amount of living stipend as those who are not.


June 3, 2010, 5:20pm (report abuse)

The current post 9/11 GI Bill is already prorated for housing. If you do not go full time why should you expect to get paid the full amount? Maybe I am confused but what does the state's budget have to do with the availibility of classes? I hope they finally focus on getting the veterans who attend through distance learning their housing stipend.

Old Soldier

June 3, 2010, 5:28pm (report abuse)

Any idea if the adjustments allow those who retired after 2001, but before the new bill came into being can sign their benefits over to their kids?


June 13, 2010, 8:57pm (report abuse)

The requirement for Voc Rehab is at least 30# disability but they make exceptions for some people who are at 10#. I've used both and Voc Rehab pays 100$ of the price of the school no matter what school and what price but you do receive less of a stipend per month. They do pay you less if you're not full time because you have more time to work. That is the logic behind the stipend.


June 17, 2010, 12:54pm (report abuse)

Another problem and disparity between the MGIB and the Post 9/11 is vocational schools. Under 9/11 there are no benefits. There are dozens of good to great paying jobs out there which do not require a college degree of any type, but do require from 1-3 years of vocational training. Those vocational schools covered under the MGIB should also be covered under the Post 9/11. Vocational schools get trained people to work more quickly than traditional degree schools, very often with much better pay than someone with a BA/BS can get just coming out of college.


June 22, 2010, 1:35pm (report abuse)

I got to college through distance learning and put more into that then a normal "in-class" student. I hope we finally get a BAH.


June 25, 2010, 2:39pm (report abuse)

The bill purposes the following ammendments for veterans:

1. Members of the National Guard and Reserve who were inadvertently omitted from inclusion would be fully eligible for benefits.

2. Include all vocational programs, OJT and apprenticeship training, flight, all types of non-college degree training and more.

3. Eliminate the complicated, confusing and, in some cases, inequitable calculation of State-by-State tuition and fee caps.

4. Provide a modified living stipend to students who are enrolled in distance learning programs.

5. Allow service members on active duty and their spouses eligible for the $1,000 annual book allowance.

6. Enable CH31 OEF/OIF veterans to receive subsistence allowance amount equal to the basic allowance for housing payable to E-5 service members with dependents

7. Allow Transfers of Entitlement by Individuals No Longer Members of the Armed Forces



July 4, 2010, 12:45am (report abuse)

Bridging the gap between the Chapter 33 stipend and Chapter 31 stipend is a move in the right direction. If you do not attend school full time, less than 12 credit hours a semester, then you should consider getting a job in your free time. Or possibly fulfilling other degree requirements in the mean time, such as free electives...? My school only offers some required courses biyearly (not biannually), yet I never seem to have an issue getting 16-20 credit hours a semester. This bill is reasonable. It provides some much needed relief to disabled veterans that must currently choose between valuable Ch31 benefits and a reasonable stipend. Please support it and contact your representatives to let them know your stance on veterans benefits. Thanks.

Old MP

July 10, 2010, 5:42pm (report abuse)

As the bill is written only post 9/11 disabled vets will benefit from increased stipend.Viet Nam era disabled vets in VRE (Chapter 31) WILL NOT receive increased stipend in bills proposed wording. Contact your representatives to support inclusion of all disabled veterans. Disabled is disabled, VRE is the VA's premier education program for disabled vets. This bill corrects a wrong to our newly disabled but does nothing for the disabled of Viet Nam Era attending higher education under the same program(Chapter 31).Lets do this right!


August 2, 2010, 10:47pm (report abuse)

I am concerned with some proposed changes to the Post 9/11 GI bill recently introduced by Senator Akaka of Hawaii. Provision 3 of these changes aims to replace the current state by state tuition cap system with a plan to use the average U.S. public education costs. My concern is that these adjustments may be a disadvantage to those attending private universities as well as those with higher tuition at public institutions. I personally have already enacted my Post 9/11 GI bill under it's original terms. As it stands now, I will be able to cover the majority of my educational costs at a private university in Boston MA using the the Post 9/11 GI bill in conjunction with the Yellow Ribbon program. However, I don't believe this will be possible with a new system averaging U.S. education costs. I ask that if the provision is passed, may those already enrolled under the original terms of the Post 9/11 GI bill be grandfathered in so as not to disrupt any current educational endeavors.


August 11, 2010, 3:39am (report abuse)

New GI Bill 2.0 (S.3447/H.R.5933) finishes the work on the New GI Bill allowing all veterans access to these generous benefits in a timely manner.

MikeH: New GI Bill 2.0 will increase your tuition benefits in MA nearly three fold. Yellow Ribbon will still be around for schools more then $20K/year.

Bradley: New GI Bill 2.0 does provide a living allowance to distance learners.

OldSolider: The legislation does not open transferability to retirees.

Hilary: We have talked offline about this, but prorating the living allowance closes a loophole where part-time students are getting more then full-time students. Not to mention under New GI Bill 2.0 your entire tuition at a public graduate school will be covered.

Belladraco: New GI Bill 2.0 will finally include vocational schools in this generous new GI Bill.


August 12, 2010, 8:41pm (report abuse)

It is my understanding that in HR5993, the BAH for distance learning students will be prorated based on course load (i.e., 100% for full time students, 50% for half time students). S.3447 calls for 50% no matter how heavy or light your course load is. Please write the Senate committee and Chairman Sen. Akaka to make sure the GI Bill "improvement" is a fair one.

Roderick Smith

August 16, 2010, 5:44am (report abuse)

It is the blood sweat and sacrifice that many now retirees paid before and during Sept. 11. Now many are being left out, in favor of those who probably paid no price in the actual events before, or during 9/11. It's a shame that those who actually served during those important times in our history, are being told thanks but your efforts really don't matter. We need a recruiting tool. Survey those who actually served retired and active duty during 9/11 and see what their opinions are,


(logged-in user) August 24, 2010, 11:06am (report abuse)

Does anyone know if this bill passed the House yet?

Dave D

August 27, 2010, 12:31am (report abuse)

Does anyone know if Yellow Ribbon has changes proposed in this bill? Current state of affairs requires 36 months of recall service to qualify but most reserve and guard recalls are less and don't qualify to use this to help reach costs of private school tuition.


(logged-in user) August 27, 2010, 10:37pm (report abuse)

Merits include using a national average replacing the maximum total fees per term calculated by each state. This helps vets and their dependents address private school tuition and out of state tuition costs. No changes to the Yellow Ribbon program. Most folks recalled served less than 36 months after 9/11 and can't use that benefit.


September 18, 2010, 7:27pm (report abuse)

This one is dead unless someone can create savings elsewhere to offset the cost.


November 30, 2010, 7:55am (report abuse)

The bill has not been passed. It was introduced in August of this year and according to the Military Services Department at my college, it has been changed several times over past years and has yet to become law. Chapter 33 has only been in effect for a little over a year. I do not believe anyone should make a decision pertaining to their education based on S.3447. Just as all bills that become law, some will benefit, while others will not. Let's keep in mind of how different our education would be if we were not able to use the new GI Bill. Whatever the decision, it is in our best interest to pursue whatever type of education we desire, because we have earned it!

Randy Driver

January 28, 2011, 4:21pm (report abuse)

I am so happy the bill is passed and we will begin to recieve BAH for attending distant learning/online education. I am very upset, however, that I will not recieve ant benifit for my current classes prior to the start date ov October 2011. This should be retroactive to the passage of the law!


February 16, 2011, 5:03pm (report abuse)

I just lost 15K annually from winter, spring, and summer vacation. I left the Army after a careful budget analysis which I scrutinized to the most minute of details. Now I am afraid I will not be able to finish school as I can't take on this significant financial strain.

Michael H

February 24, 2011, 12:16pm (report abuse)

From what i see in the public law 111-377, is that on October 1 2011 we will only recive one half the BAH OF a E-5 W/D. Is this true please help.

Unhappy Vet

February 24, 2011, 11:49pm (report abuse)

This just passed into law and will be effective in Aug and I am madder than hell about it. yeah they made a few justified improvements but now i'm not going to be able to afford to go my current college without assistance. they shouldn't average state tuition! what people pay down south is a FRACTION of what it costs here i live! This is absolutely unjust. And just goes to show that people don't research! And since this is the first I'm hearing about this via the letter I was sent by the VA, I'm even more irate! There are so many unjustifiable changes and did not make more positive changes to this that I can't even begin to think that Washington actually cares about Vets.

Another unhappy vet

February 25, 2011, 10:52pm (report abuse)

I have never been so mad in my life, seems like all this damn president has done is take away and not give nothing back. I sure he has given to stupid causes, the bad economy is proof of that, but now their is more restrictictions on post 9/11 bill 3 quarters of class isnt full time anymore. u can get paid bah in between semesters, what if you are disabled thru the army with med retirement and u were using majority of the bah to pay for your housing. Thanks alot democrats! I hate all of you.

Yet another unhappy vet

February 28, 2011, 10:59am (report abuse)

Nothing like getting started in a program to have the rug pulled out from under you. I spent months of researching on where I was going to go to school and figuring out this post 9/11 G.I. Bill, and it finally looks like it might work out for someone that wants to become a pilot. Now someone that doesn't like pilots apparently figured this out and pretty much put a stop to that. $10,000 a year to flying??? So that would only take 5 1/2 years to complete at a "fast trac" part 141 school. Now I'm locked in at the post 9/11 and can't go back to the old 60/40 plan. Which if I stay in the school it'll be the 100% finance program for me.

Really Peeved Vet

March 2, 2011, 2:23am (report abuse)

Why would they take away break pay??? How am I supposed to live on 15 days of BAH for December, and then maybe 5-10 days in January??? If the school I go to is closed, what choice do i have in it? This is going to be one VERY sad Christmas :(. I just wrote my congressman, you should write yours too and protest this gross injustice! The part about the Full-Time/Half-Time makes sense, but not the break pay. That's a load of crap, for real.


March 3, 2011, 1:40pm (report abuse)

This is not about full time college, the original post 9/11 rules set by government that 7 college credit hours would be the rule iot receive bah at E5 with dependants. This was the F******

law set down. If you like your laws changed then by of all means support President Obama!


March 7, 2011, 6:14pm (report abuse)

Wow. At first look I didn't see any issues. Some of the changes are neeeeeedleessss. There is no point in it. There are Vets struggling thru college trying to live on the what was already there, now their break pay is cut, but Active Duty Soldiers will draw additional BAH along with whatever they are already being paid... My opinion. These changes were made for the sake of changing things and for no other reason. Robbed Peter to pay Paul then patted eachother on the back for doing "something". Wonderful. If you are a member of the Government do not forget that you work for ME and my fellow countrymen and you just wasted your time- which belongs to us and we want it BACK. Do something productive.


March 9, 2011, 2:23am (report abuse)

From the way this looks the school and the degree program I have been enrolled in for over a year now just got taken away. It's the only school in my state that offers the program and it's what I signed up for now I need to come up with 50% tuition when i can barely walk between classes. That is F****d Now I need to find a new school and a new degree program and leave all the classmates and teachers I have been developing connections with. Thanks Obama


March 10, 2011, 10:45pm (report abuse)

Does anybody know if this affects chapt33 or 35? Also, god bless all of you that have served our country. This bill is bullsh*t. I am so mad that Obama made another worthless change. It's like he's trying to prove something but doing nothing but making things worse. Thank GOD that 2012 is coming. If anybody is dumb enough to re-elect this idiot, then America will be in the dumps if he gets another 4 years to ruin our God given country.

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