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H.R. 503 would amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit certain conduct relating to the use of horses for human consumption.

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Patricia A. Cornell

January 16, 2009, 7:37am (report abuse)

Horses are not cattle and should not be slaughtered as such. When was the last time a bull ran in the Kentucky Derby??? Has anyone taught their kids how to ride/rope on a steer?? Has Pat Parelli, Clinton Anderson and Chris Cox become well-know for "natural cowmanship"??? The recent glut of horses on the market has nothing to do with the closure of US slaughter houses and everything to do with the lousy economy. Of course, AQHA is going to denigrate this bill---their very existence depends on registering more and more Quarter Horse foals. They are so desperate to keep their numbers up--they are promoting cloning of certain horses and blood lines.

Patricia Bewley

January 16, 2009, 7:39am (report abuse)

this country can do better than the wanton cruelty of sending horses to a horrific death for the benefit of the French and Belgians.

Rose Fey

January 16, 2009, 10:35am (report abuse)

The Bible clearly states, only the cloven hoofed animals may be used for human consumption. I believe that there is a special place in hell for those people who disregard Gods word for financial gain............

Horse Eater

January 16, 2009, 11:58am (report abuse)

Why shouldn't I eat a horse just because you think it's cut. Get a life people! As long its not a person I say its fair game for my stomach ~ or glue, what ever is more practical. They are pretty, but they are livestock.

DIANE SUZOR

January 16, 2009, 12:01pm (report abuse)

THESE BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS SRE GODS GREATEST CREATION, AND BT NO MEANDS SHOULD EVER BE HURT BY ANY ONE. LET ALONE SLAUGHTER!!!

THEY HAVE FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS JUST AS HUMAN BEINGS DO, ACTUALLY MUCH MORE SO!!!!!! I KNOW FOR I HAVE OWNED THESE BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS.

THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT IN THIS WORLD TO LIVE THEIR LIVES AS WELL, AND WITH OUT ABUSE IN ANY WAY WHATS SO EVER!! FOR THE HUMAN BEINGS THAT BEAT AND SLAUGHTER THESE HORSES. TO THE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS TO OUR HORSES AND ALL OTHER ANIMALS AS WELL, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE BE ABUSED AND BEATEN TO DEATH???? I MY SELF THINK THAT WOULD BE WELL DESERVING OF YOU ALL!!!!!! LET OUR ANIMALS LIVE THEIR LIVES OUT, AND WITH OUT HARM TO THEM! AS YOU CAN SEE I ANM NOT HAPPY ON WHAT YOU CRUEL HEARTED PEOPLE ARE DOING!

DIANE SUZOR

January 16, 2009, 12:22pm (report abuse)

THESE BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS ARE GODS GREATEST CREATION, AND BY NO MEANS SHOULD EVER BE HURT BY ANY ONE IN ANY WAY, LET ALONE BEING SLAUGHTER!!!

THEY HAVE FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS JUST AS HUMAN BEINGS DO, ACTUALLY MUCH MORE SO!!!!!! I KNOW FOR I HAVE OWNED THESE BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS.

THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT IN THIS WORLD TO LIVE THEIR LIVES AS WELL PEOPLE AND WITH OUT ABUSE!! IN ANY WAY WHATS SO EVER!! FOR THE HUMAN BEINGS THAT BEAT AND SLAUGHTER THESE HORSES AND OTHER ANIMALS AS WELL. SHOULD BE PUT IN PRISON FOR THIS. AFTER ALL, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ABUSED AND BEATEN TO DEATH???? I MY SELF THINK THAT WOULD BE WELL DESERVING OF YOU ALL!!!!!! LET OUR ANIMALS LIVE THEIR LIVES OUT, AND WITH OUT HARM TO THEM! AS YOU CAN SEE I AM NOT HAPPY ON WHAT YOU CRUEL AND COLD HEARTED PEOPLE ARE DOING!

DIANE SUZOR

January 16, 2009, 12:36pm (report abuse)

PLEASE SKIP READING THE VERY FRIST COMMENT AND PLEASE GO TO THE SECOND ONE....WORDED AND MISPELLED THE 1ST ONE.AND I ADDED MORE TO HOW I FEEL ABOUT ALL THIS ALSO..TRIED TO DELTE IT BUT COULDNT...THANK YOU ALL!

Barb AZ

January 16, 2009, 1:25pm (report abuse)

Please get involved. Ask your US congressman to COSPONSOR!

Find your state here:

http://aahsbloggingupdates.blogspot.com/

C.C. Rider

January 16, 2009, 2:15pm (report abuse)

People, get over it. These are animals, not people. If you love animals so much go out west and buy a big ranch. Then you can buy all the horses and pay for taking care of them. I don't want the government wasting time on something as silly as this when there are much more important things to be worried about.

Shelley G

January 16, 2009, 2:34pm (report abuse)

Horse slaughter is not humane euthanasia, nor is it a “necessary evil”. It is a predatory business that sustains a culture of cruelty to horses. Again and again, undercover footage has revealed that horses are subjected to extreme cruelty and suffering while transported to slaughter, and in the slaughter houses. These animals are our companions - they serve to protect us - they help win medals in the Olympics. The racing industry is a multi-million dollar business. We owe our horses a debt of gratitude - not a trip to the slaughter house.

Sandra C

January 16, 2009, 3:24pm (report abuse)

American horses are not bred or born to be butchered. They should not be subject to the cruelties they are forced to endure at the low end auctions, on crowded double decker trailers, at the feedlots and at the actual slaughter plants. America's domestic and wild horses need our help and HR 503 is needed to end their suffering.

Horse friend

January 16, 2009, 8:15pm (report abuse)

To the 'horse eater' - I hope you enjoy all the second hand drugs you're getting when you consume horse meat, drugs administered to horses that end up in the human food chain include parasite control, anesthetic, tranquilizer and dope! This is the short list! Many of the compounds and drugs that can be found in horse meat I can't even spell their names but the list is endless and frightening. To read more about what you deem fit for human consumption go here -

http://www.flyingfilly.com/drugs_in_horsemeat.htm#cautions

vicki

January 17, 2009, 7:43am (report abuse)

It will be interesting to see what arguments the pro slaughter use against the bill. They were gearing up and all set to use.... at least it was humane in the US; reopen the plants. Unfortunately, we spoiled their plan by releasing the USDA FOIA and that put an end to that talking point. We have proven every one of their talking points are false or an outright lie. I'm sure there will be another scare tactic coming along soon.

I believe I've captured all of their ridiculous talking points on this page on my website: www.vickitobin.com/id4.html

vanessa f.

January 18, 2009, 1:19am (report abuse)

Horses are MAGNIFICENT creatures & should remain like that!! I am AGAINST HORSE SLAUGHTER. I'd like to see the ones doing the slaughtering go through the same treatment they put these beautiful creatures through, see how you like it. C.C. - No, you get over it (grrr!!) ANIMAL RIGHTS!!! Bless those compassionate individuals who care for ANIMALS, NOW & FOREVER.

fda

January 18, 2009, 1:20am (report abuse)

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mary

January 18, 2009, 2:01pm (report abuse)

I am starting a horse registry it will be live feb 1 2009

americanstallionregistry.com

breeding poor quality horses has had a huge impact on what horses are suffering today -registering only quality horses ,they all have to be vet checked for obvious genetic flaws and conformation including feet and temperment.They do it in europe and do Not have the horses neglected and starving to death in peoples back yards like in the USA I see it everyday.Breeding quality to quality each stallion owner signs a code of ethics, be responsible- they will only breed for 1 foal to show what their horse produces which is breeding to a quality mare-if they do not know what quality is do research check with your horses registry,and research.And they should only breed their mares on inutero contract if the foal is not sold -they do not breed their mares. Being responsible ,accountable and integrity that has to have a positive impact on the future horse industry. Mary americanstallionregistry@yahoo.com

Mary

January 18, 2009, 2:06pm (report abuse)

80% of americans voted against slaughtering horses for consumption they need to step up and help horse rescues financially and help at the rescues-100,000 horses were shipped out of the US last year 2008 for consumption-the american quaterhorse registry registered 140,000 foals last year

how many were poor quality 1/4 id wager--we americans spent 38.8 million dollars supprting and feedin the american mustang that are still populating--i VOTE we castrate the mustangs to stop production--they double their population every 4 years

we cannot afford the mustangs and the 100,000 overabundence of horses that right now are shipped to mexico and canada--time to wake up castration needs to happen and we need to breed quality both mare and stallion if breeding is to take place maybe adopt ----from a rescue ......horses live 25+ years

if ou are breeding are you keeping foal or getting minimum 2500.00 a foal less than that why bother breeding ? ask yourself---where are all the excess horses go

Mary

January 18, 2009, 2:11pm (report abuse)

140,000 aqha horses last year

36,000 TB foals born how many were not registered last year over 300,000 foals were born how many are heading to mexico and mexico right now? can america afford to pay the humane society to care for all the horses that nooone can afford and pickens adopting the mustnags are you castrating those wild horses? castraing poor quality has to ahppen accountablity has to happen

america if we love our beloved horses ask yourself if im voting on something that will cost me out of my pocket what am i going to do to step up to help the animals here in rescues--manya re telling people to euthanize their horses to assure they do not end up in mexico r canada what other course do they have if they cannot afford them ask a neighbor that has land what can you do for keeping your horse on their property--doesnt hurt to ask and with the prices of feed so expensive-how can people affprd hay prices?we have to make sure we can afford what we have ...or ask for help or ?

Joy

January 18, 2009, 9:46pm (report abuse)

Rose, you can't make a law based upon Biblical law. There has to be a clear secular purpose. WTH?

Sarah

January 19, 2009, 1:08am (report abuse)

Mary is right you vote for no slaughter of horses, you need to help pay to keep them alive. Some ranchers use horses for working then when they get sick or to old to have, they can't afford to keep them and if they can get some money for them at an action, why not. At least they don't suffer. They are an animal.

Brandi Turner

January 19, 2009, 11:37am (report abuse)

If these were dogs and cats the abusers would face criminal charges. The USDA has furnished pictures of the abuse horses suffer in transport and slaughter. Let us put humane back into the word humanity, PASS HR503, then we can move on.

Betsy

January 19, 2009, 5:47pm (report abuse)

Why do we as humans think they we are superior to every other animal. Certainly this is not a third world country. Food is in abundence here.There is NO need to eat these gorgeous creatures, who live for nothing more then to serve man at his whim. And as for you horse eater, get a life, maybe one day an alien will decide you look a snack. But then he would probably spit you out.

Kathy

January 19, 2009, 7:42pm (report abuse)

You can tell a lot about a society by how the people treat their animals. It is moraly wrong to mistreat other beings. We need to stop the transport of these horses and we need to support the rescue organization. We also need to adopt these horses and have some kind of contol on the breeding to keep the populations under control. We need to get this passed but we need to put our money to work to help these horse.

Go Hug a Tree

January 19, 2009, 11:37pm (report abuse)

They are animals. They run. So do deer. So do dogs and cats, for that matter. They are beautiful, yes, but you don't have to eat all of them. Mistreatment of animals is wrong-Guantanamo-but, horses-Sudan-shouldn't-Sri Lanka-be our first worry. Rumor has it that Humans - another beautiful animal - are dying in other parts of the world at the hands of bad people . . . and humans aren't even eaten after they're killed. Congress needs to look at its priorities!

C.C. Rider

January 20, 2009, 10:05am (report abuse)

In reality you should look at the priorities of some of these horsie folks here. I seriously doubt they care as much for their fellow man as they seem to care for horses.

vicki

January 20, 2009, 10:39pm (report abuse)

cc rider, this thread is about horses. If this article was about humans you wouldn't want us posting about horses, would you?

It is well documented that animal friendly people show far more compassion to their fellow man than those that abuse animals. In fact, many hardened criminals have been linked to animal abuse in their childhood.

You must hand it to the pro folks. They're great at changing the subject when they don't have anything to add.

www.vickitobin.com

Becky

January 21, 2009, 5:09am (report abuse)

"At least they don't suffer. They are an animal."

Are you kidding me? Going to auction means these horses don't suffer? Animals can't suffer? Do you even have an idea on how nerves and brains work? ALL animals are capable of suffering - and DO, very unfortunately, at the hands of man every day.

You, yourself, gave the very reason these animals should NOT go to slaughter: they SERVED MAN for decades, and then are repaid for their faithful service with a trip to the slaughterhouse?! How about a quick, kind euthanasia by a vet if the rancher doesn't want the horse anymore? Better yet, how about letting it live in retirement peacefully residing in a pasture? Hasn't the horse earned humane treatment? Simply as other living, feeling, thinking beings, don't they and other animals ALL deserve humane treatment?

Respect for life includes ALL life and not just humans, many of whom are certainly less worthy of life than every animal because of their actions.

Becky

January 21, 2009, 5:17am (report abuse)

CC Rider - with an attitude like yours, is it any wonder that some people who care about animals are not so inclined to care about people like you? People like you, Horse-eater and Sarah are just incredible in your ignorance and arrogance. I hope someday you, too, are not considered worthless and sent off to slaughter by some uncaring person.

You're right, Vicki, the rationalizations used by those who exploit animals will never end. But, their rationale never seems to add up to anything logical.

"Of all the creatures, man is the most detestable. Of the entire brood, he is the only one that possesses malice. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain. The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his moral inferiority to any creature that cannot."- -Mark Twain

'Nuff said.

C.C. Rider

January 21, 2009, 1:58pm (report abuse)

Not quite enough just yet. As long as you are throwing rocks make sure to save a few for yourself too. You may think you are pure of heart but just think about how many animals you exploit on a regular basis. What are your eating habits? Do you think you are a vegitarian? Do you use any animal products in your daily life? How about your makeup - was it tested on animals? And do you have any pets? Do you think those animals are here just for your pleasure?

It is easy to make loud noises about something like horses but even the most devout of you are not as clean as you would like us to believe. Hypocrites.

vicki

January 21, 2009, 8:21pm (report abuse)

cc rider, you just don't get it, do you? We are not against eating meat. We are against slaughtering a non-food animal that is not an accepted food source in the US. Quit trying to twist what we are saying.

Yes, there are many abuses committed against animals. The fur trade, animal testing, dog fighting, rodeos, puppy mills and the list goes on an on. None of us are saying they're okay.

Again, this thread is about horse slaughter and the legislation that will end it. Is there a reason you can’t focus and join in the discussion on the subject of this thread?

www.vickitobin.com

Dave D

January 21, 2009, 8:35pm (report abuse)

This is for Vicki and the "Not so realistic or Informed side"

I would back off of your new "Holy Grail" (906 page FOIA). unless you want to look like a total idiot in a few days. We have proof of the context and what those pictures truely depict, and let me tell my little chubling, it ain't all what Animal Angels makes ity out to be. We knew something was wrong with this "Report" but I had no idea until yesterday how wrong it is. This is going to make all involved look foolish. Be patient for a couple days Vicki. Even you will be surprised at the level of deception. The USDA is not happy about the portrayel of the information. Just wait and see Vicki. I will fire back "FACTS" at your "BULLSH*T". So now your warning goes back to you. Soon you will look like the "Jackass" that you really are. Luv Ya

Dave D

January 21, 2009, 8:39pm (report abuse)

Any realistic people that want to stay informed go to

www.unitedhorsemensfront.com

Horse Eater

January 21, 2009, 9:37pm (report abuse)

Just so you know, I don't eat horses, but I don't care if other people do. And I think that you are all pathetic because this bill has more post than most of the ones the really matter

YOU ALL NEED A REALITY CHECK

tuff_stuff

January 21, 2009, 10:30pm (report abuse)

Hold your fire on this one lady:

"Yes, there are many abuses committed against animals. The fur trade, animal testing, dog fighting, rodeos, puppy mills and the list goes on an on. None of us are saying they're okay." I am close personal friends with many stock contractors as my son is a PROFESSIONAL BULLRIDER. When you start throwing stones at his occupation and those who supply stock, you are knocking on my door. The stock used in bullriding is far from abused and/or neglected. You have no clue how well taken care of a $150.000.00 bucking bull is. I DO and trust me rodeo is not what you make it out to be. My children have all competed on the High school rodeo team for our home state, NEVER witnessed abuse. However, I did witness the demand for good behaviour, good academics, excellent social skills and most of all RESPECT! Rodeo is a very disciplined sport. Not only rodeo and competing, but the producers and owners of the stock, have molded my kids well!

Kathy

January 21, 2009, 10:42pm (report abuse)

Can we keep our emotions in check stay focused on the issue of trasporting horses for slaughter.

James C. Pennington

January 22, 2009, 1:43am (report abuse)

Horse meat can be, and is, consumed quite often in this country. The fact that you don't think it should be is of little consequence to those who do consume this delicacy. So from one who eats horse meat on a regular basis, TAKE A HIKE!

vicki

January 22, 2009, 6:37am (report abuse)

Dave D, there is nothing you can make up to dispute the FOIA. It is directly from the USDA. You cannot accuse us of altering or doctoring. While you’re at it, why don’t you tell everyone who your little group is a front for - you know, who really started your little group at a PAC meeting? Why don’t you tell everyone why that organization is pro slaughter. Why don’t you explain to everyone why, in a time when all of you pro slaughter folks are whining about unwanted horses they brought 140,000 horses into the population last year. Why don’t you tell everyone why you are using false stories of abandoned horses on your website that you know are lies? Why don’t you tell everyone why you never have facts? Just fiction that you use to scare everyone. You underestimate people, Dave. They aren’t buying the lies anymore.

www.vickitobin.com

vicki

January 22, 2009, 6:51am (report abuse)

Dave D, forgot to ask if you saw this? www.horsetalk.co.nz/features/horseslaughter-164.shtml

Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.

January 22, 2009, 8:23am (report abuse)

Horse slaughter MUST end.

People need to be responsible and be held accountable for the horses they bring into this world. If you don't want to be responsible or you wish to be reckless, DON'T OWN HORSES. Own cars instead. They are inanimate and don't know fear, flight or fight.

LMatte

January 22, 2009, 10:25am (report abuse)

The pictures in the FOIA report that can be found at www.kaufmanzoning.net were not taken by Animals' Angels they were taken by the USDA thenselves.

There is NO excuse for the barbaric treatment of horses. NO excuse for horses faces bashed in and bleeding, their eyeballs hanging from their sockets by strings of flesh and their legs broken off and gone.

No excuse.

Diana

January 22, 2009, 11:13am (report abuse)

As an American citizen and horse owner, I want this bill to be passed.

I have been to the sales where horses are sold to slaughter and have personally witnessed the brutal, inhumane treatment they receive. It is beyond comprehension how any person with an ounce of compassion could condone this cruel, barbaric, senseless practice.

Opinion polls consistently reveal that the vast majority of Americans (80%) want horse slaughter abolished. Justice and common sense will prevail. A mere handful of the greedy, dispassionate, and irresponsible minority cannot stop the moral and ethical progress of our great nation forever.

Jennifer Flood

January 22, 2009, 11:21am (report abuse)

HORSES SHOULD NOT BE SLAUGHTERED 0 NOT HERE, NOT THERE, NOT ANYWHERE?

The public needs to be made aware of this. Why don't you post the slaughtering on nightly news, or have it shown in classrooms -- oh yeah right -- BECAUSE IT IS TOO GRAPHIC - BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW IT IS WRONG -- AND BECAUSE THE TRUTH WOULD GET OUT!

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU WHO PROMOTE SUCH ACTS OF CRUELTY. I HAVE HORSES, AND THE WHOLE THING OF KILLING HORSES (or any other animal for that matter) IS JUST SATANIC.

Diana

January 22, 2009, 11:24am (report abuse)

To Dave D et al:

No one is buying what you are selling, except possibly the equally demented. The content and nature of your comments reveal your true character and purpose. Nuff said.

Dave D

January 22, 2009, 11:32am (report abuse)

Sorry Vicki, I forgot your reality meter in your brain was taken out during your labotomy. 1. yes the pictures were taken by the USDA. 2. these accounts are horrific.3. the context and the time of the photo's and why they were taken is what the animal rights movement has twisted. So much so that when we put all the facts out about them, well lets just say it will enlighten the general public as to the ploys of the extremely rediculous animal rights people. This one I will win Vicki. Just keep spouting your denials and you will prove to all your unwillingness to see the truth.

Dave D

January 22, 2009, 11:38am (report abuse)

Vicki, I have nothing to hide about who we are or how we started, not sure what your crazy rantings of PAC are, not even sure what that stands for. If I was part of a group it would be well known. Again I am not the type to hide from anyone or anything

Paula Bacon

January 22, 2009, 11:46am (report abuse)

Statement made on the Washington Watch website is a heads up that those interested in pro-slaughter will soon be unleashing a 'black is white' campaign in an effort to cow those who know what horse slaughter is, in its many cruel and inhumane aspects.

But the USDA FOIA is what it is, acquired through the legal channels provided by law and finally released. There is no "context" as Dave below asserts in the FOIA photos that so clearly depict the injuries of horses at both Beltex and Dallas Crown that justifies their suffering. These photos do explain some of the very disturbing sounds I heard coming from Dallas Crown; they do not justify them.

We should not, will not be intimidated. It is what it is and black is not white.

Paula Bacon

Former Mayor of Kaufman, Texas

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January 22, 2009, 12:03pm (report abuse)

Note that Ms. Bacon is the FORMER mayor. Sounds like the voters got some sense and sent her packing.

Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.

January 22, 2009, 12:26pm (report abuse)

To Sarah,

Sarah says: Mary is right you vote for no slaughter of horses, you need to help pay to keep them alive. Some ranchers use horses for working then when they get sick or to old to have, they can't afford to keep them and if they can get some money for them at an action, why not. At least they don't suffer. They are an animal.

Response: People need to be responsible if they wish to own horses. If you own horses to do work for you, you need to plan for caring properly for their injuries and eventual euthanasis.

No one should EVER accept not having money to properly care for horses as a reason to send them to slaughter. If you can't afford to own and care for horses properly, DON'T OWN THEM.

vicki

January 22, 2009, 12:30pm (report abuse)

Dave D, you and your pro slaughter buddies can spin it anyway you want. It was a FOIA and the report was published exactly as received. Sorry you don’t like what you see but it is what it is. We did not add any commentary and we did not present anything or twist what was there. There was no need to add anything – the report speaks for itself.

Surely your revelation isn’t going to be that the photos are 3 years old, is it? What you should be concerned about is why it took three years to get the report. Lie and twist away. Instead of taking your creativity to figure out what you are going to do when slaughter ends, you persist with your fiction.

Paula – good to hear from you! The classless person that hid his identity doesn't have a clue.

www.vickitobin.com

To dot from Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.

January 22, 2009, 12:31pm (report abuse)

If you are going to criticize the former mayor of Kaufman, Texas who at least tells the truth, why don't you at least have the courage to put your name to your words.

The deceptive ways of pro-slaughter

January 22, 2009, 12:37pm (report abuse)

I am sick and tired of the false, misleading and outright LIES of the pro-slaughter lobby. The deliberate and duplicitously deception MUST end. The American people are not fooled by the vicious lies. The organizations who suppport the lobbyists should use their millions of dollars to help horse owners pay for food and medicine.

It is abhorrent and disgusting that our country is being held hostage by lobbyists that have no moral compass and are unethical just so they can get their way and continue the slaughter.

Horse slaughter MUST end.

To dot from Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.

January 22, 2009, 12:50pm (report abuse)

Hey .:

What is your name? Can't you at least post your name so all of us including the former mayor can see who you are? Why must you hide behind a "."?

To "go hug a tree" from Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.

January 22, 2009, 12:59pm (report abuse)

Go Hug a tree says: They are animals. They run. So do deer. So do dogs and cats, for that matter. They are beautiful, yes, but you don't have to eat all of them. Mistreatment of animals is wrong-Guantanamo-but, horses-Sudan-shouldn't-Sri Lanka-be our first worry. Rumor has it that Humans - another beautiful animal - are dying in other parts of the world at the hands of bad people . . . and humans aren't even eaten after they're killed. Congress needs to look at its priorities!

Response: Some people around the world eat humans. This is called cannibalism. So, you your logic, if slaughtering humans was profitable, we should send all of the "bad" people to slaughter and send the meat to the cannibals???

Your logic equals this: man is an animal. Dog is an animal. Therefore, man is a dog!

Legislation Watcher

January 22, 2009, 1:05pm (report abuse)

Thank you for showing me the truth about horse slaughter by leading me to the records obtained from our own Gov. I had not seen them before today and spent several hours pouring over them.

I've been watching this legislation for years and never took a stance until today.

As I see it a request was asked by FOIA about violations to the "Commercial Transport of Equines to Slaughter Act" and that request was full-filled by the USDA. I don't know how any can spin pictures of horses with their legs ripped off. I looked at the pictures and could hardly get through them. These events happened because of the horse slaughter industry, I don't think anyone can refute that.

I wish all of you fighting for this bill best of luck!

Ann M. Marini, Ph., M.D.

January 22, 2009, 1:09pm (report abuse)

Owning horses carries with it personal responsbility. In addition, everyone must be held accountable for their actions. If you want to own horses, you have to plan to provide the necessary care for them. If you don't have the income or the financial security or the motivation to seek additional employment to ensure that your horses are well cared for, the DON'T OWN THEM. Horses are NOT a necessity. No one has the right to abuse or neglect their horses. There is no sound logic to the notion that horses should be sold to slaughter because it costs to much for a vet to come and euthanize the horse. There is no sound logic to the notion that horses should be sold to slaughter because of burial concerns. There are over 900,000 horses buried across the United States. Moreover, you can call the rendering truck. Yes. It is expensive, but you need to plan for these costs. If you don't want to, then DON'T OWN HORSES!

kathleen hofferty

January 22, 2009, 1:46pm (report abuse)

Horse slauhter is cruel, barbaric and inhumane. We must stop the exportation of our american equines overseas where they are brutally butchered in Canada and horrible Mexico.Over 90% of americans are against the slaughtering/butchering of our beloved pets/companion animals, the regal majestic equine.Lets pass H.R. 503 NOW. Obama is on our side.Our 501(c)3 non profit equine rescue has saved re homed, retrained and placed over 4500 equines into qualified loving, caring knowledgable adoptive homes. "Until All Equines Are Safe From Slaughter"

kathleen hofferty

Ipswich Equine Rescue Corp.

Brian Deviney

January 22, 2009, 1:52pm (report abuse)

Ban it

MJWilson

January 22, 2009, 2:00pm (report abuse)

Pass HR305, and HR503 NOW!

D. Masters

January 22, 2009, 2:01pm (report abuse)

The issue of the FOIA is a matter of government released fact; albeit pathetically slow with regard to the original FOIA request. You ask for a FOIA Dave D.? If not, how do you know that what the info re: FOIA horse slaughter isn't accurate?

If there is anything wrong with that report, as released rests solely on the shoulders of the government entities involved in providing same. I will not speculate that they may have released misinformation. I will only suggest, no, make that state, the information was provided after unreasonable process from date of request (actually in violation of FOIA) and that this was the information the US Government had on same request.

If there is one problem with the Slaughtergate FOIA, call USDA.

Again, I am not an animal RIGHTS advocate. I believe in truth and justice. We still don't have either when it comes to horse slaughter or transport for same.

Dave D., can you possibly post without belittling your opponents? I doubt it.

Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.

January 22, 2009, 2:08pm (report abuse)

By the USDA statistics, 90.2% of the horses going to slaughter are young and sound. There is absolutely NO excuse to continue this brutal and horrific treatment to our horses. If the foreigners want to slaughter horses for human consumption, they can breed and slaughter their own horses.

America was built on people who took pride in personal responsibility and accountability. These personal traits need to return to all aspects of American society including horse ownership.

Those who would disown ethics and morals just so they can earn millions of dollars through lobby efforts to support horse slaughter based upon deceit and LIES need to seek other employment. We don't want lobbyists telling our government what to do. BY the people, FOR the people and OF the people

D. Masters

January 22, 2009, 2:29pm (report abuse)

Dr. Ann:

While I didn't vote for President Obama, I was moved by the Inauguration and his repeated call for personal responsibilty.

The cry for horse slaughter as a choice and need is not one of personal responsibilty; it is the direct opposite.

I wish the President and new Congress much success. We need it.

Equinevet

January 22, 2009, 3:26pm (report abuse)

Accountability and responsibility is certainly what comes to mind when reviewing the documentation obtained by FOIA. I believe every veterinarian should view this before expresssing opinions publicly. Bluntly put, the responsibility for this carnage rests on the USDA, and I expect accountability from my colleagues employed there.

ldg

January 22, 2009, 10:09pm (report abuse)

Sarah ...

FURY

January 22, 2009, 10:20pm (report abuse)

I read some of these comments from Pro slaughter and you are really sick with your sorry ass excuses for horse slaughter. Like it or not bucko, to most Americans. horses are domesticated companion pets. Your worried when these bills pass, what are you going to do with your culls. You flooded the horse market with over breeding, you caused the horse to be worth 50 cents a pound, you that sold your horses to KB's are animal abusers, knowing that the horse, will be brutalized and butchered alive. Many have posted sites for you to look at and you choose to turn your back. NOTHING YOU SAY WILL JUSTIFY WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS....THERE IS NO EXCUSE EXCEPT GREED. 140 thousand foals born last year and that's AQHA.....where are these horses going folks. THE UNWANTED HORSE....BS, IT'S CALLED OVER BREEDING.

You made a big mess for yourself and your going to be forced to take responsibility for what you did. I am an American, I am a horse owner, I want Horse slaughter stopped.

Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.

January 22, 2009, 10:48pm (report abuse)

I have copied and pasted a killer's statement verbatim but I will do it again for those who didn't read it the first time:

"I provide a service. People are revolted when I tell them I process horses for a living, but without me there would be thousands of starving horses living on our streets. On that girlie website of yours you wrote how I exploit horses. Wrong. I exploit alcohol. I exploit Burger King. But with horses I provide a service. I mop up. I clean up the mess left by morons who just have to breed their mare. A few years later no one wants the baby anymore, so I come in to mop up. How come you never write about those morons who just have to breed their mare? Every spring I send dozens of mares and new foals to the meat plant. And every spring there are idiots breeding more babies. All of your do right for horses cause they built America is crap. The only way to do right for horses is to stop breeding them."

If the horse killer can figure this out, so can everyone.

Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.

January 22, 2009, 11:08pm (report abuse)

To Horse Eater:

Comment: Why shouldn't I eat a horse just because you think it's cut. Get a life people! As long its not a person I say its fair game for my stomach ~ or glue, what ever is more practical. They are pretty, but they are livestock.

Response: What's to stop someone with your kind of thinking to make people livestock????

John Holland

January 23, 2009, 12:04am (report abuse)

Dave D,

You say:

3. the context and the time of the photo's and why they were taken is what the animal rights movement has twisted."

I hate to disillusion you, but I saw this FOIA document within hours of it's being received. It has been posted exactly as received from the USDA. The time and context are as given by the USDA.

So, it breaks down like this. If revelations are coming from the USDA about context and time, that would mean one of two things:

1) The USDA lied in the original document.

2) The USDA decided to lie now to do damage control.

I personally think the third possibility is the most likely and it has to do with your credibility and is related more to Christmas turkeys than horses.

Do you guys have a manual for how to deny reality? Are you all raised in special slaughter madrases where you read it and rock back and forth and repeat "black is white, up is down, slaughter is kindness, compassion is cruelty....."???

Kelli Hoffman

January 23, 2009, 12:29am (report abuse)

There are people in this world who are kind to all of our God's creatures. You don't have to be a vegetarian to love and have compassion for animals. It is just sad that there are people out there who seem to thrive on causing suffering to those human and animal, who can't speak for themselves for the almighty dollar. Just because an animal doesn't have the ability to communicate through voice like we do, doesn't mean they don't feel the same pain and fear.

Our horses are a part of our nations history and deserve respect and a dignified ending when it is their time. Ask your representatives to say no to greed, over-breeding and special interest groups like AQHA and co-sponsor HR503. We have alot of support and proof of the painful and inhumane reality of horse slaughter. We have a very compassionate administration now and the ban WILL pass shortly....then people will be forced to actually be responsible and care for their animals.

Al H

January 23, 2009, 12:56am (report abuse)

People need to wake up and realize that this is just a way for organizations like Peta to make a first step toward trying to control the entire livestock industry. They chose horses as their "cause", because there are too many people that consider them pets and they know they can get these people to follow blindly along. This is just a ploy to use you!! Once they make headway into areas such as horses, that just gives them more power to further their agenda which is to ultimately eliminate all meat animals, such as cattle, hogs sheep etc. Don't for a minute think they will stop at just horses. Do you really, truly think they care more about horses and or livestock than people such as lifelong veterinarians who have devoted entire careers to helping and treating horses and other animals. The veterinarian groups all oppose this bill. Do you know why? Because they are aware of how this will ultimately affect animal agriculture, and they know the unwanted horses are worse off now.

Lin

January 23, 2009, 6:24am (report abuse)

Hello Al, I had roast beef last night, my favorite is steak and burgers....med rare. Peta dose not influence me to defend horses, Horses are not livestock, I don't look at a horse like a side of beef. They are trained to carry humans in sports, go on patrol with the police, carry handicap and a lot more..the next time I see a cow do what a horse can do I'll keep my mouth shut. Young healthy horses are being butchered alive everyday and I want it stopped, What influences me is pulling foals from a kill pen at 5 months old, and seeing the betrayal in the eyes of horses once loved and cared for..... you can turn your back on a friend and companion, I can't. The ones being over bred, not really having a chance because they didn't make the grade makes me sick. People need to take responsibility for what's happened to our horses here,and as far as AVMA I'm sure they have their hands out in this just like some senators....big money in horse slaughter Al.. Join us and save the horses.

vicki

January 23, 2009, 6:34am (report abuse)

Al H, that is an old argument that was invented by the pro slaughter to scare people. It is called the slippery slope and is not true.

Horses are worse off now? Surely you aren't trying to relate that to the availability of slaughter. If you are, thank you for proving our point. More horses were slaughtered last year than the previous year when domestic slaughter was still available. That proves that as slaughter counts increase, so does abuse and neglect. We have been saying that for years.

Your statement that all veterinarians oppose the bill. Is false. The truth is that most vets oppose the legislation. Many of them are posting on this thread in favor of the legislation. The AVMA opposes the legislation but that is the organization, not the members. The members were never polled. If you want to see what the vet membership believes, visit the Vets for equine welfare site.

www.vickitobin.com

vicki

January 23, 2009, 6:53am (report abuse)

Ooops. That was supposed to be most vets are IN FAVOR of the legislation.

v

Bob

January 23, 2009, 8:03am (report abuse)

I have some neighbors who can't afford the feed for about 6 horses they have, so they are "borrowing" it from me so they can keep them alive. Those of you that want to save every horse in the world post your name and addresses and I'll have them ship them to you and you can feed them since these people can't. Don't be so naive,people

Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.

January 23, 2009, 8:14am (report abuse)

Bob,

Many of us are doing exactly as you are doing. People have lost their jobs and their homes. Those of us like you and me who are fortunate enough to have a job need to help out the less fortunate.

I urge everyone with means in this economic recession to extend your generosity and compassion to those horse owners who are devastated mentally and economically to help them out. This can be accomplished by taking their horses temporarily until the economy improves so that those who lost jobs find work or by buying hay/alfalfa, pellets etc until our fellow Americans get back on their feet.

More examples of missing qualities in this great country: generosity and compassion as evidenced by Bob's statement above.

If you are sincere in your interest to help your fellow horse owner, you don't project the responsibility onto others.

Amber

January 23, 2009, 9:15am (report abuse)

I own horses and have been involved with them my whole life. And as a whole horse people are not bad. What bothers me is that in a effort to make our society "perfect" animal right people have put animals over humans. To just say overbreeding is the problem is fine. But what is your solution, nothing has worked for dogs and cats. If this passes the government will have to take on the additional responsibilty of disposing of horses, just like with dogs and cats. Thats taxes. Also, dogs cats, and horses are all considered personal property and now some people are telling other people what they can and can't do with their propery. I thought we lived in a country that is free, but apparently no longer.We have people who live on the street, elderly who cant afford medicine, and kids that raise themselves, but we put so much effort into making animals live's better then some of the people who live in this country.

Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.

January 23, 2009, 9:53am (report abuse)

To Amber,

This country is free but too many irresponsible people have created this mess. Do you also think that the banks should not have been bailed out by the government?

You should get on the band wagon and teach responsible horse ownership so that people like us don't have to "tell you what to do."

There is NO excuse for the overpopulation of horses in this country. It is arrogance of people who, like you, think that horses are YOUR property to do what you like to them.

You don't have the right to abuse or neglect your horses. You don't have the right to ignore/deny the cruelty inflicted on horses at the slaughter house, on the trucks that transport them without food and water and at the feedlots where they die on the lot or in the slaughterhouse where they die a brutal and cruel death.

If you want to help the homeless, go to that board. This board is about horse slaughter.

cutter

January 23, 2009, 10:38am (report abuse)

We are in a "perfect storm" in the

horse industry. Keeneland sales

were down 50%, and the TB industry

is live cover only on breedings.

Hay and grain is still selling on

last years inflated fuel prices. People can't pay their bills, and are forced to make hard, unpleasant

choices. These animals are livestock, they are not house pets.

If you rode a cow instead of eating

it, would you feel the same way about a cow? Separate your emotions from common sense, many

of these unwanted horses could feed

our own hungry and incarcerated.

Amber

January 23, 2009, 11:08am (report abuse)

Ann,Has bailing out the banks worked?As for how I take care of my horses,most peoples kids arent taken care of as well.I dont have a horse in the barn valued at under$7000 so i'm not likely going to take one to the auction and let it go for $100.As far as teaching responsible horse ownership,I am involved,I work all summer helping local 4-H kids.What do you do other the blog your ideas.And MY horses are MY property where is that arrogance,would you like to start sending me a check once a month for their feed and care and then you can have a say in their future.Please tell me how this will work,thats all I want to know.People havent learned to be responsible with dogs and cats so whats going to be better with horses?I havent said I want everything to be the way it was,I think there needs to be regulation and rules on how they can be transported,but to think by preaching responsible horse ownership everyone in our country is going to change is a joke.

Amber

January 23, 2009, 11:16am (report abuse)

Its also helpful to note that apparently you do put animals lives above human. I wonder what have you personally done to save a horse. I know I have spent countless hours walking colicy horses, bandaging legs, having my arm shoulder deep in a horses rear end to remove impaction, so dont lecture me on neglect or not caring. I do care, that why I dont want them sitting in someone back yard starving to death and not getting medical care. And if you think there is room in rescues, or that all rescue treat their horses good, then you need to get out and start actually living in the horse world like I do.

Alisa

January 23, 2009, 11:16am (report abuse)

Amber you have too much anger built up over your own issues.  Plain and simple this bill is about ending cruelty.  Cruelty to any animal or child or adult is not acceptable and each issue requires there own laws and bills to pass.  This one is about horses.

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