H.R. 108, The Disabled Veterans Commissary and Exchange Store Benefits Act (334 comments ↓ | 4 wiki edits: view article ↓)

H.R. 108 would amend title 10, United States Code, to extend military commissary and exchange store privileges to veterans with a compensable service-connected disability and to their dependents.

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January 9, 2009, 11:43am (report abuse)

If you say you're against something, you should indicate why...

J Cripps

January 9, 2009, 4:46pm (report abuse)

Well, I see the "." is back.

As to the comment made above - If that is the case then those who are in favor should do the same.


January 13, 2009, 2:51pm (report abuse)

Need this to pass. Vote for it folks. I am 70%. I need to get that discounted liquor to toi get drunk on weekends.

Warren J Thompson

January 17, 2009, 9:26pm (report abuse)

Why would anyone oppose this bill? It helps veteran's, and would bring in much needed business to the PX and Commissary institutions. For those of you that think this will place an additional tax burden on citizens, keep in mind that the PX/Commissary are designed to be self funding institutions. The more business we bring them the less taxes we all pay to support them. Let's get this thing passed! I've created a cause for this on facebook. Friend Warren Thompson if your intrested.

J Randall

January 20, 2009, 11:25pm (report abuse)

I fully agree with Warren. He is right on the money. Nothing more needed to say.


January 21, 2009, 11:08am (report abuse)

For everyone on facebook, please help support this bill:



January 21, 2009, 3:00pm (report abuse)

As a disabled Vet that couldn't make to retirement due to combat injuries received in “Gulf I” that are not rated by the VA at 100%, this bill, if passed would help my family greatly and any break you can give to a Disabled Vet is more than deserved.

J Cripps

January 22, 2009, 8:45pm (report abuse)

For Warren J Thompson - You nay wabt to check your assumptions. The PX is required to be self-supporting but the commissary still depends on appropriations. The items are sold for cost and the surcharge is placed in a fund for new construction. Based on that, the more people who shop there the higher the cost.


January 23, 2009, 5:14pm (report abuse)

A lot of benefits for disabled veterans do not kick in unless they are 100%. This would be one great benefit that wound apply to any percentage.


January 24, 2009, 10:43pm (report abuse)

Why would anyone want to oppose this bill. It is not like the DV are waiting at the gates for a hand out. Althought they should get more than what is handed out to them. And if it is the use of the commissary and BX then why not. They have earned the right to shop at the commissary and the BX. People who oppose are crazy. I am all for this bill.

samuel carter

January 25, 2009, 3:39pm (report abuse)

i am 60% disabiled service connected with ten years active duty army. i have seen steptchildren of active duty military that have more privilages than combat wounded veterans. is that wrong or what?

Pete McNeely

January 27, 2009, 12:26am (report abuse)

This would be a God send for all of us who are disabled and are forced into a limited income. It would also benifit the commissary and exchanges by given them more patrons. Why is this taking so long. Let's get it done Obama!


January 27, 2009, 10:57am (report abuse)

A study recently published by the National Alliance to End Homelessness found that one in four of our nations homeless are veterans. Furthermore, a Pentagon report that appeared in the Journal of the American Medical Association stated that 17% of soldiers return home with signs of post-traumatic stress disorder, depression or other situations that involve relating to nonveterans. The study of 88,000 veterans showed that percentage to nearly double 6 months later. Finally, a report from NBC, using data gathered from the Department of Veteran’s Affairs shows that US Veterans are twice as likely to commit suicide as non-veterans.

In unrelated stories, the federal service is becoming older as fewer people are joining its ranks. Some agencies have reported that they will lose nearly 50% of their workforce within the next five years to retirement. Also, according to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission there are far fewer disabled workers within federal employment jobs.


January 27, 2009, 10:58am (report abuse)

Through an increase in eligibility of commissary and PX privileges on US Military Installations to any disabled veteran, veterans will be given an economic incentive to locate nearby to said installations. This, in turn, will afford them On-the-Job-Training (OJT) benefits through existing Vocational Rehabilitation opportunities. These veterans would undoubtedly find the transition easier than to that of a purely civilian environment as they would be surrounded by a military structure and culture, though in a civilian setting. Once established, they can then move throughout the federal government to fill needed vacancies.

J Cripps

January 27, 2009, 4:36pm (report abuse)

Folks, obviously there is lack of knowledge about the "economic incentive" available in the exchanges and commissaries. The exchange prices can always be beat in the downtown stores, especially Walmart, and even Bestbuy. As to the commissaries, if you have any significant travel you will quickly wipe out any small savings you might see. And those savings are not always there. Again the local merchants can often be found with lower prices on many items. Sure, you won't pay sales tax but you will pay a five percent surcharge, which in my state is higher than the sales tax on food items. So just how would any of this benefit someone?


January 29, 2009, 7:41am (report abuse)

I am a 90% disabled veteran (Epilepsy,TBI,PTSD,Migraines)and I am appalled that there even has to be a bill on this. Where is the logic behind denying a disabled vet full access to a military base he probably spent most of his life on?

For a lot of us the least on our minds is the few bucks we save. I would love to just be able to go to the PX to get military apparel and equipment versus going to the surplus store to buy cheap knockoffs. I don't remember

Are they going to tell me at the Commissary "Sorry sir. I can't let you buy that American flag and those cookies because you aren't disabled enough." How should I reply? Maybe I should say "Well if I would have had just one more seizure I would have been 100% disabled and been so lucky. Sorry to bother you I will just put my things back."

That's like me telling politicians they aren't allowed in Washington. Give me a break.

Bottom line this bill needs to be passed. Cut the bureaucracy and do whats right.

Warren J Thompson

January 29, 2009, 10:10am (report abuse)

Choice brings up a good point about the psychological impact of this bill on Veterans. It really is one of those things that outlines the difference between honored for their service, or being shunned away as soon as our veterans leave the service.

As far as the savings go...they are there, and have been documented in several congressional reports over the last decade. The "PX doesn't really save you anything" myth isn't true - in fact recruiters still consider one of their most valuable tools in recruiting and retaining soldiers to the military.

There really is no good argument not to support our veteran's. They fought and some died for our country. The least we could do is pay them a little respect by giving them benefits like these, which have minimal to no cost impact to the average taxpayer.

J Cripps

January 29, 2009, 10:17am (report abuse)


You sound like a pathetic person who has no self-identity other than being a veteran. You need to get a life and get on with it.

Warren J Thompson,

There is no myth about the exchange prices, just do a little comparison. There is no savings there any more. Regardless of what the recruiters say, it just isn't so.

Here's a thought, why not just give every veteran a signed blank check from your bank account, since you think they should be given everything.


January 29, 2009, 11:49am (report abuse)

Anyone who would use recruiters as a source to validate their points doesn't know much about how recruiters operate.

Warren J Thompson

January 29, 2009, 2:32pm (report abuse)

Congress has investigated the savings for us--it's not just something the recruiters pull out of their ass. It's documented in the DoD reports to congress since 1989.

And anyone who refers a veteran as pathetic doesn't need to be involved in this forum. These are the men and women who keep our country free and they deserve respect.

J Cripps

January 29, 2009, 3:50pm (report abuse)

And you, Warren, sound like just another "give it all away" socialist. Most honorable veterans don't want anything to do with stuff like this. Why do I doubt you were ever a veteran, honorable or otherwise?


January 29, 2009, 5:35pm (report abuse)

To J Cripps

It is funny to see you criticize someone one do not even know. The comment made about CHOICE is something that a person with low self worth would do, and if that make you feel better about yourself you my friend are the pathetic person. I am not a soldier nor will I ever be but I thank God For men like you and my cousin CHOICE who are willing to put there life on the line for me and the rest of America. You should be thankful for any kind of support cause quite frankly it pisses me off that someone can get paid 5 million to sit on a sports bench and the people who allow him to play that sport get pissed on on a daily basis. I do hope that you do rethink your comments and stop being such a tit.

15 TC

January 29, 2009, 7:27pm (report abuse)

Cripps, As I am a disabled vet I feel like you should eat a big fat TURD! Give disabled vets a break, the booze be a lot cheaper on the base.

Mark E.

January 29, 2009, 8:57pm (report abuse)

We'll see how the new administration actually wants to change things, this is a no brainer for vets who have paid the price (by being disabled). We already have our passed our background checks etc. so what is the concern.. It will only bring more $ to AAFES.. doesn't that help everyone? Lets get this done!

J Cripps

January 29, 2009, 8:59pm (report abuse)


Since you have no valid basis for knowing how a veteran feels or acts, why don't you take a hike.

15 TC,

You sound just like the kind of drunken, alcohol soaked veteran I am talking about. And I wouldn't want to deprive you of your supper so I will decline your offer.

a vet --- and activist

February 2, 2009, 7:49pm (report abuse)

I'm on a non-service connected disability pension sot this bill would not benefit me, but I am 100% for this bill and any other bill that heps services

-connected vets. My feelings towards these wars, which I am opposed to, has nothing to do with my felling towards vets. Take care of them. They deserve it.


February 4, 2009, 8:52am (report abuse)

I have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why this shouldn't pass.

J Cripps

February 4, 2009, 11:21am (report abuse)

Just as I have heard no compelling argument as to why it should pass.

Warren J Thompson

February 4, 2009, 3:21pm (report abuse)

I think the veteran's above are the most compelling argument as to why this should pass. What's interesting is why the vote on this site is so lopsided compared to other bill tracking sites. My guess is J Cripps is some 12 year old boy who has nothing better to do than stay home all day and flood the vote in an effort to make his extremist viewpoint seem substantiated.

There is no reason to vote against the bill. The only thing keeping it down right is the lengthy legislative process, which is why it is important that everyone on this list write their congressmen now, and attempt to get this thing out of committee!

J Cripps

February 4, 2009, 6:00pm (report abuse)

Warren, You are wrong on several counts. I am a 62 year old veteran of Vietnam. I don't have an extremist viewpoint, I am just tired of the constant push to give everything to everyone, including fellow veterans. I am a conservative that believes in "Quit whining, get off your butt, and make something out of yourself." I do not believe this is a valid bill and I will push with all I have to see it defeated.

Warren J Thompson

February 4, 2009, 9:37pm (report abuse)

No real veteran would refer to one of his peers as drunken and alcohol soaked. The bottom line is the men and women who put their lives on the line for our country deserve every single benefit we have to offer. They should get paid more, treated better, and are entitled to be given everything. They offered to put their lives on the line for us, and the least we could do is offer them these tiny benefits in return.

What is stalling this bill is not the tiny minority of extremist opinions like J Cripps, but the fact that it remains stuck in committee with no co-sponsors.

Write your congressman today!

J Cripps

February 5, 2009, 2:03am (report abuse)


Since you have already stated that you have no military experience I'm curious how you would know what a "real veteran" really is. Perhaps you would care to enlighten us.

Real veterans know that being a veteran does not give one the right to expect a handout at every turn. But you wouldn't understand that now would you.

The bill stays in committee without co-sponsors because it is not worth the effort.

Warren Thompson

February 5, 2009, 9:34am (report abuse)

I am actually a 65% service disabled veteran of 8 years in the U.S. Army. A real veteran takes care of his troops even after they get out, and doesn't campaign against them. A real veteran knows the hardship of fighting for freedom and understands the psychological impact of a country that forgets about them as soon as they are discharged. We don't expect handouts - but we aren't afraid to ask congress to help out former brothers in arms who need assistance. The way this country treats our Veteran's is horrible, and no one can reasonably argue against that. The public supports this bill, and soon Congress will as well.

Mark E.

February 5, 2009, 10:40am (report abuse)

It is unanimous on this blog that J Cripps is the only one against, while I recognize his service and appreciate it, (I am a disable vietnam era vet also).. his conservative stance is aligned with the typical conservative stance that doesn't really care anything about anyone except big money and bigger corporations with gangsters running them.. that is why there was a landslide in the last election! More people going to the BX/commis.. hello,, will create more jobs and bring in more $ to usa (instead of shipping everything overseas).

J Cripps

February 5, 2009, 10:48am (report abuse)


You gave yourself away as a liar. There are no 65 percent. Both VA and the military only use full multiples of 10 percent in their rating systems. So since you have proven yourself to be less than credible I will simply ignore you.


How does giving more people access to the exchanges and commissaries result in stopping the "shipping everything overseas."? There is no logic to your argument.

Yes, I am a conservative. That is not a bad word, regardless of how liberal you are. If you take a look back through history you will find that the conservatives are the ones who built the country and the liberals are the ones who gave it away.

Mark E.

February 5, 2009, 10:53am (report abuse)

Oh, one more thing to someone who wrote Walmart could beat prices at BX..NOT! a friend of mine who is retired AF recently bought 4 tires and previously priced same exact tires and Walmart and Costco and , and etc. 10 different stores.. BX was over $90 cheaper for the set than even Walmart! There is your clear evidence.

Mark E.

February 5, 2009, 10:57am (report abuse)

J.. you didn't address the more jobs.. if they get more business, it WILL create more jobs locally (and this does not ship jobs overseas!) Get it?

Warren Thompson

February 5, 2009, 12:56pm (report abuse)

J Cripps, you are obviously very misinformed about the VA rating process. Of course you can be rated 65%. Whatever VA rates you is rounded to the nearest 10%. In my case I was rated 65% which rounds up to 70% - even though my VA disabilities only rate 65%. Explanation:


I don't even think you are a legitimate conservative veteran. Even my most die hard friends in the Republican party would never argue against a bill that provides so much to our veterans at so little cost. You argue your points like a 12 year old boy trying to pretend he is Rush Limbaugh.

Mark E.

February 5, 2009, 1:05pm (report abuse)

Warren, I concur 100% .. some people can't see the forest for the trees,if you know what I mean. My Dad is rated 35%, so I know personally that J's rationale doesn't hold water... oh well, beating a dead horse, eh?


February 6, 2009, 3:21pm (report abuse)

The irony in Cripps touting his conservative alignment is that historically, the GOP has been much more supportive of this bill than were the liberals. I think Cripps is just bitter for some reason. Concerned (above) brought up a good point - that by allowing disabled veterans access to Comm/Bx, it would allow them to better re-integrate into civilian society and reduce the poverty/emotional issues which affect so many of our returning brothers and sisters. The cost would be negligible and the federal system would recognize a benefit. This bill is a no brainer. I agree with Mr. Thompson - Please contact your house rep (writerep.house.gov) and urge them to support/cosponsor this bill!

15 TC

February 6, 2009, 8:38pm (report abuse)

J Cripps just got done with a six pack gone to get another! Why don't you eat another big fat TURD before you vote again!

J Cripps

February 7, 2009, 1:25pm (report abuse)

So jZip, once these poor souls are reintegrated into civilian society do you then cut off theis access? That would seem appropriate under your scenario.

15 TC

Go back to your mom's basement and play with yourself. You are obviously a 13 year-old looking for some way to be around adults. Unfortunately for you this isn't the place.

Mark E

February 7, 2009, 3:30pm (report abuse)

Last post... J Cripps.. read ALL the other posts here and then read yours.. Denial (Da Nile) is not just a river in Egypt!

J Cripps

February 7, 2009, 3:39pm (report abuse)

Mark E,

Call it what you like, it is my position and my belief about the subject. That you disagree is obvious. Bye bye. Such is life, I certainly won't lose any sleep over it.

Warren J Thompson

February 7, 2009, 9:05pm (report abuse)

I see that this has been referred to a subcommittee! Great news!

Frank Mallon

February 8, 2009, 1:00am (report abuse)

I'm not so sure being sent to a subcommittee is such a good thing. That's what happened during the last congressional session and it just sat there until it died.

Warren J Thompson

February 8, 2009, 9:32am (report abuse)

Well, I should have said good news, instead of great news. It's good that it's in subcommittee early in the session. It could die there, but hopefully if we all continue writing then it can be reported to the full committee and then back to the house!

50% & retired

February 9, 2009, 4:06pm (report abuse)

I've been an occasional commissary/exchange shopper since 1966. I've found it rarely saves. And when I needed warranty service, I wanted to shoot myself.


February 19, 2009, 3:40pm (report abuse)

The Subcomittee, during the last congress, tasked DOD with providing a report of the impact on this resolution moving forward. The report is due to congress at the end of March. e-mail john.kline@mail.house.gov (Ranking member)

or susan.davis@mail.house.gov

(she has been a strong advocate) to let them know you support the bill moving forward!

J Cripps

February 20, 2009, 8:37am (report abuse)

And I will also let them know that I DO NOT support this bill.


February 20, 2009, 11:12am (report abuse)

yes, but it will only be you on that side and all of us on the right side.


February 22, 2009, 7:57pm (report abuse)


FJ Rankin

February 23, 2009, 8:27am (report abuse)

I have a better idea - make the commissary benefit available to only active duty and their families. No retirees, no disabled veterans, no weekend warriors. That way all of you will stop crying about how you are not being treated fairly.

Warren J Thompson

February 26, 2009, 6:26pm (report abuse)

FJ Rankin, your attitude is exactly what is wrong with our country today. Your philosophy is use our soldiers for all their worth, and then throw them out on the streets to die like dogs. I was active duty only two years ago - and it is a world of difference when you leave. It's not a matter of crying or being treated fairly - it's a matter of helping the men and women who chose to serve and put their lives on the line for this country.

FJ Rankin

February 27, 2009, 1:30am (report abuse)

Nope. I think the benefit should only be for those who are active duty and possibly in harm's way.


(logged-in user) February 28, 2009, 10:58am (report abuse)

I am a 70% disabled Navy Veteran. I would have completed service to retirement if I were not injured in service. Why shouldn\'t disabled Vets have access to these priveledges? They served their country and now their country refuses to serve them...as usual. Please vote for this bill and give Veterans the appreciation they deserve. We\'re counting on you, Obama.


February 28, 2009, 11:33am (report abuse)

INeeds to address the Dept of Educations Policies Violating Statutes and discrimination against Disabled Veterans. As Veterans Disability Compensation by Law NOT Taxable & Not considered as income & in fact not reported as income nor statements such as 1099 issued.Dept.of Ed. needs to STOP DEMANDING Disabled Veterans include Disability Patments as Income with which they use to then Reduce or even Deny Pell and other Educational Benefits. Yes, the Dept.of Ed. DENIES and PUNISHES Disabled Veterans for receiving Disability Compensation. They also have Financial Officers demanding 1099s as \"PROOF\" of income; such statements are NOT available. I personally have had Education Benefits denied for my Family because of this.

Another PROBLEM is in regards to Forgiveness of Student Loans. They give the LENDERS to make their own MEDICAL determination by viewing your Medical Imformation.SERIOUS Conflict


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March 1, 2009, 1:02am (report abuse)

fj rankin are you a dav, if not you should be out of this forum you opinion its not valit for me,thats i have to said.

FJ Rankin

March 2, 2009, 12:18pm (report abuse)


Yes I am a 50% Vietnam veteran. And I would be included in this if it passed, I just do not believe it is something any disabled veteran should be given. I do not believe in the current "victim" ideology that seems to prevail. I believe each veteran deserves help but there is a limit to what anyone "deserves" from serving their country. This, in my opinion, is undeserved.

Warren J Thompson

March 2, 2009, 3:16pm (report abuse)

Does anyone else think FJ Rankin is just J Cripps trolling in disguise?


March 2, 2009, 4:43pm (report abuse)

ok, fj rankin thats you personal opinion and i respected,but see kids that join cap have those benefits to by on the px, thta happen to my daughter she join for a some time and she can go to the px and for me to have to go in whit her and see she have those benefits make me think why we dav don\'t have it, i write before that in puerto rico cops can go and by in the px and commissary whit no armed service and we that served don\'t have that benefits, i think is not fair, so i hope that bill pass, also better medical service for us.

FJ Rankin

March 5, 2009, 12:22am (report abuse)

Actually, Warren, Cripps is my brother-in-law. We get into these discussions about all this stuff quite a bit since we are both veterans.


(logged-in user) March 5, 2009, 9:21am (report abuse)

LOL Yeah, right!

FJ Rankin

March 5, 2009, 10:31am (report abuse)

And I suppose JZIP is another name for Thompson? Believe what you want it matters not to us.


March 16, 2009, 1:02pm (report abuse)

It's funny how many people have things to say that was not put out on disability. I had 17 years in service and put out on 80%. I guess those opposing this think it would cause longer lines to stand in to pay. This is like Veterans Preference in government hiring. It is written up but it doesn't work


March 17, 2009, 12:26pm (report abuse)

As a Navy veteran who was \"released from active Duty\" at the 17 year mark, I would greatly apreciate this bill passing.


(logged-in user) March 22, 2009, 1:23pm (report abuse)

FJ Rankin is a meathead!


March 24, 2009, 2:42pm (report abuse)

If the goverment wanted to really give the vets a stimulas package this would be it!


March 24, 2009, 2:45pm (report abuse)

Why does this bill keep getting proposed and nothing getting done? This bill just makes good sense!


March 24, 2009, 5:01pm (report abuse)

And the tally says 80% against,? that is not what all the comments on this site say.. come on people, start voting for this bill (near the top on right side) every change you get. If you are disabled, you get it!

CB Dawson

March 24, 2009, 8:07pm (report abuse)

Until now I have refrained from commenting abainst this bill because of all the negative comments thrown at anyone who does. It is very likely that others are also voting against but not making comments for the same reason.

Rude Dog

March 25, 2009, 2:32am (report abuse)

As an 18 year career vet, I support this bill. Those that do not support it are entitled to their opinion and should probably consider the needs of those that would benefit from this bills approval. If you don't need the benefits, don't use them.


(logged-in user) March 26, 2009, 10:34am (report abuse)

CB Dawson, please give your reasoning... As stated, I have yet to hear a compelling reason why someone would NOT support this bill. It would be a negative cost item - that is any additional costs associated with issuing new ID cards, security/maintenance issues would be more than offset by increased revenues within the Commissaries/Exchanges. Further, it would encourage veterans to locate near and work on the base. Increased employment would help veterans, the shrinking federal workforce, and society as a whole. Where is the negative?


March 26, 2009, 5:46pm (report abuse)

I support this bill. It would be a great economic impact to both the base\post exchange system and us veterans. Maybe it should be on a volunteer basis, if you want access maybe charge a small fee for a new ID card etc.

Warren J Thompson

March 30, 2009, 10:14am (report abuse)

I suspect that one or two people are coming back here and voting no everyday to try and skew the results in their direction.

If you check out some of the other government tracker sites, that require you to login and vote only once, you'll that the bill is lopsided in the other direction from what this site shows.


(logged-in user) March 30, 2009, 10:41am (report abuse)

We have security measures that make it very difficult to vote more than once from the same computer. Clearing cookies and voting again will not result in a second vote being tallied.

It's important to remember that the results of the vote are merely symbolic. What matters is convincing people of the merits or demerits of the bill.

I note that nobody has edited the wiki article about the bill. New visitors who want to learn about this bill are not as well informed as they could be. The community is invited to make the case for the bill in the wiki article.

Information about editing the wiki is here: http://www.washingtonwatch.com/wiki/tutorial/

Archie Haase

April 2, 2009, 1:39pm (report abuse)

In my opinion this is a scam bill. But I think the way military are retired at 40 years or younger is a scam. I think if (20 years service)you want to retire from the military you should only receive retire at 55 years old. If someone retires at 40 or younger they would have to wait until 55 years of age to receive retirement pay. Those with combat related wounds could retire at any age.

Warren J Thompson

April 2, 2009, 4:30pm (report abuse)


You are totally misconstruing the facts. No one retires at younger than 40 years old. Bare minimum is 20 years service, so coming in at eighteen years old, the person would at least have to be 48. Retiring at 20 years entitles you to only half your base pay, and in some cases less - which is virtually nothing and definitely not enough to "retire" off of. There are certain periods where the military offers "early retirement" as a reduction in force, but the terms of this can very wildly, from a one time lump sum payment, to a very small ongoing monthly payment - not nearly close enough to be retired in the classic sense.

There are so many myths floating around about how Veteran's are middle aged retired pansies who get treated too well. I just wanted to clear the air - no one retires at age 40 - it just can't happen.


April 2, 2009, 4:47pm (report abuse)

Hi Warren. 20+18=38 which is less than 40. Do the math, my friend.

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