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S. 727, The Prevention of Equine Cruelty Act of 2009 (2844 comments ↓ | 4 wiki edits)
S. 727 would amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit certain conduct relating to the use of horses for human consumption.
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Jen in Ohio
March 30, 2009, 8:02pm (report abuse)Vicki HORSES ARE LIVESTOCK! NOT PETS! And as for reporting the "abandonments" what good is that going to do? Is the local sheriff's office gonna fence in a place and take them all in? Come on! Who cares how many horses were slaughtered last year in other countries? We are talking about HERE IN THE USA. And I don't remember saying anything about it being about greed. You are just trying to put words in my "mouth". All of the no kill people have taken the disposal options away from horse owners. You whine if we euthanize you whine if we slaughter what does please you? You know I'm not going to cry myself into oblivion or dance with joy whether the horse slaughter bill passes or fails. It just kills me to see so many people who have about 30 dogs and cats at home and think that horses should be treated the same as those animals. Whether you admit it or not they are livestock, and have been for a long time. Nothing not even a ban on slaughter will change that.
Diana
March 30, 2009, 8:02pm (report abuse)Amen Bonnie. You hit the nail right on the head with your assessment of the situation we are faced with regarding inhumane horse slaughter, and those who want to keep it a "viable option" for purely selfish reasons. The horses should not have to suffer or pay with their very lives because of human stupidity, ignorance and/or greed.
Pass HR503 and S727. It's the right thing to do.
D. Masters
March 30, 2009, 8:07pm (report abuse)Jen in Ohio:
Thank you for the county and "rough" date of over 12 months ago and then adding "but a report wasn't filed"...how convenient. Why wasn't a report filed???? But you use it here to support your pro slaughter position. Anecdotal at best or a plain freaking lie at worst.
PASS SB 727
Dave D
March 30, 2009, 8:11pm (report abuse)Nona, That was not Conrads words about illegal aliens, that statement was placed there by an author that supposedly has the highest moral standards. Some how I do not find that to be the case.
The anti's deal in emotion. Just look at Vicki and Wizard John Hollands threats to political officials if they passed the Montana Bill. You two had them quaking in their boots I'm sure.
I have been gone but as I promissed you Vicki I will let the world know and see the silly mafia style threats you and John put out. To think you really believe you were the reason Conrad didn't get re-elected. Just a bit dillusional and self inflating. Your not that big in the world Vic. Except in stature.
Jen in Ohio
March 30, 2009, 8:11pm (report abuse)D Masters - It's not nice to call someone you don't know a liar. Takes one to know one. And in case you can't read it has been within 12 months not over 12 months.
D. Masters
March 30, 2009, 8:12pm (report abuse)Jen in Ohio:
I don't care what you call them! Nothing living deserves to die this way, peddling tainted meat to humans. Get off the "retarded" pet kick. My horses aren't pets, but they also are sure in the hell NOT meat livestock. Quibble all you want. Nothing living deserves a death like this feeding people contaminated meat. Stop reading from your AQHA, Farm Bureau proslaughter propaganda handbook.
PASS SB727
Diana
March 30, 2009, 8:14pm (report abuse)No one considers horses to be livestock except those who stand to make a profit from butchering them. Call them whatever you want to call them, horses are not raised as food animals in the USA, period.
And Dan, please stop with the slippery slope argument, that's a scare tactic which has no basis in reality and you know it. This is not about cows, pigs, or chickens - it's about horses.
Vote YES on S727 and HR503. Stop the cruelty.
Anti's
March 30, 2009, 8:15pm (report abuse)Don't even bother trying to justify horses as being any more special than any other animal used for human consumption. Sheep have clothed our soldiers and fed our people, Cows have plowed our lands, provided milk for our babies and fed people in this nation and abroad...and so on. The biggest difference between horses and the rest of our livestock is that they can't seem to even coexist with their own kind without kicking and biting to establish "pecking order". Given the nature of horses, they actually are less desirable and safe as a pet than some of our other livestock. The bottom line here is OUR nature which is: "If it's ugly, eat it. If it's beautiful it's sacred..don't eat it.
D. Masters
March 30, 2009, 8:18pm (report abuse)JIO:
Nice try...but I didn't CALL you a liar. Quibbler. Bottom line, you use a story here that has no legal or verifiable info to prove for your contention HCHS is necessary. If you can't prove it, you can't use it.
OOOOooohhh! Dave D. is on board in charge of his "grassrooters". Seekers of truth beware.
PASS SB 727
camp mom
March 30, 2009, 8:18pm (report abuse)Thanks Jen, Dan and Dave,
I am not an activist, just a mom trying to hold things together, and telling you like it is in the Midwest. I do not make up stories; horses are being left in random people's trailers, tied to trailers, and just left like a stray dog to be found! Our vet told me about people moving and just moving and leaving the horses behind-not a "story," This has just been happening in the last year or so. I have been getting contacted to take in "no value" horses ie unbroke, very young, problem horses. As I said; we do the best we can, but we can't take them all. I do not have a place for a lot of these horses.
Believe it or not, it has just gotten worse since the US plants closed. I have this bad feeling it is going to get worse before it gets better. My question is simple; do some of these anti-slaughter people have a farm and the money to support all of the unwanted horses? I am doing the best I can...
D. Masters
March 30, 2009, 8:21pm (report abuse)Then go ride a cow, steer, ewe, ram or boar next time you want to do your cuttin' horse thing . And if "livestock", to include horses were so equal...just why did the calvary never use anything but equines (save for some camels here or there)?
PASS SB727
Jen in Ohio
March 30, 2009, 8:21pm (report abuse)D Masters - Just got off phone with neighbor, It was July 4th weekend (he's old and doesn't remember which day). And quit taking thing so personal! You have to take the emotion out of this situation. I agree with Anti's. I love my horses too Masters. But who really cares what the Chinese eat? They sure send us lead for our children. Besides why not make some money off those suckers takin money from us?
Anita
March 30, 2009, 8:26pm (report abuse)I am in the Northeast, not far from the Canada border. Despite this, the closing of the slaughter houses has impacted our area as well. Last summer at a state park where horse people go to trail ride, a group of people went out to ride for a few hours and when they got back their trailers were full of unwanted horses.
Good going Anti's you have done a great job fixing problems!!
c j
March 30, 2009, 8:29pm (report abuse)with regard to senator butcher's comments
a horse like a dog or any other animal is as mean as the people around them
senator butcher should recuse himself from this issue
it is clear and well known that he has an undeclared pecuniary gain and a distinct conflict of interest
Anita
March 30, 2009, 8:31pm (report abuse)So what's your point D. Masters? Is carrying humans on your back a greater service than those stated of cows and sheep?
MJNYC
March 30, 2009, 8:50pm (report abuse)In response to Sen. Butchers comment. It is very sad when someone cannot speak English, especially when they are a senator in our great nation. Humane slaughter is an oxymoron; it is not possible.
Prettying up the word slaughter by calling it processing is disingenuous to say the least. Sen. Butcher knows full well what horse slaughter is and it certainly is not processing.
It is very self-serving for a senator to bring up a bill in their state when they will personally benefit from it. Sen. Butcher stands to gain if horses go to slaughter, because then he can sell the foals he breeds.
Stop breeding Sen. Butcher, then there will not be a need for a slaughter house.
Another error on Senator Butchers part is that countries do not use horse meat as a food source, it is a delicacy. The Belgian butchers pay .05 cents a lb. and sell the meat for $20+ per lb. Please do not make it sound like horse meat is feeding hungry people, because it is not.
Again, disingenuous.
vicki
(logged in user) March 30, 2009, 9:11pm (report abuse)Anita, you know that the horses are NOT a US export. The US is not exporting the horses, the Belgians are. The Belgians export the meat and profits overseas. Posting the same wrong information on a different thread won’t change the facts. It is the same on S 727 as it is on HR 503. Same horses, same facts. Yes, look at the bigger picture. You have an animal that is not a food animal in our country. You have less than 2% of the horse population going to slaughter. The big picture is that the overwhelming majority of horse owners and breeders are responsible owners. We do not need slaughter for an insignificant percent of breeders and owners than want a dumping ground.
PASS S 727 End the Cruelty and Abuse of our horses.
vicki
(logged in user) March 30, 2009, 9:14pm (report abuse)Jen in Ohio, livestock are food animals. Horses are not raised or bred for food. Livestock do not and cannot perform the functions that horses perform. They serve the same purpose in society as dogs. You can call them whatever you want but they are not food animals in our country and our country views livestock as food animals.
BTW-the AVMA and FDA classify horses as companion animals.
taryn
March 30, 2009, 9:35pm (report abuse)Do we really think the poster here is Rep Butcher in Montana?
I mean, if my elected representative was posting on a website calling the opposition "nuts", I would be horrified. Totally unprofessional.
vicki
(logged in user) March 30, 2009, 9:38pm (report abuse)Dave D, I noticed you didn't comment on the other 3 press releases. It’s hard to dispute facts, isn’t it? I'm sure you will have more pro slaughter propaganda to spew without anything to back your opinions. Just like the lies the MT AQHA sent out yesterday. You guys must really be getting desperate. The tsunami of abandoned horses turned out to be 14 but the MT AQHA managed to fabricate a story around it. One of the local equine veterinarians set them straight. If you'd like to read the truth from the vet, it's the first article on this page http://www.vickitobin.com/id30.html
Didn’t Burns lose his re-election bid after he snuck in the amendment?
Please, keep publishing your drivel. It gives us more examples to give the legislators of how the pro folks twist, spin and lie. All propaganda and scare tactics without any shred of evidence to back your claims.
Not very credible coming from QH breeders when they lead the trucks going to slaughter.
vicki
(logged in user) March 30, 2009, 9:40pm (report abuse)Anita, Troy Hadrick fed you that line, right?
Lauren
March 30, 2009, 9:57pm (report abuse)Has anyone read chapter 11 in the book Slaughterhouse by Gail Eisnitz? Horseslaughter was bad in the United States. Worse than you can even imagine.
Lin
(logged in user) March 30, 2009, 10:26pm (report abuse)Here is the same old arguement...when I see a cow,carry a human in the olympics, in police work, penning , barrel racing, jumping, is the day I will keep my mouth shut.. you can livestock all you want...the horse is a friend and partner to most horse people in American...not a side of beef. and you are worried that cattle will be next...that's a laugh...give up Mc Donalds, Burger King, and Arby's. I don't think so. Horses are butchered alive, horrific, when it was here, Canada and much worse in Mexico. read some reports and watch the video's. This is Animal abuse, and it is going to stop. Be responsible for your own, and stop making excuses for this...there are no excuses except greed.
Save the Horses, pass this bill.
Uintah, Utah
March 30, 2009, 10:55pm (report abuse)Actually cattle are ridden in rodeos. It's called Bull riding, duh. I have seen horses dumped out in the BLM here due to the raising cost of hay and because they can't sell them at the auctions. there isn't enough food out there for them to all survive on with the mustangs that belong there. Most domesticated horses especially geldings cannot survive on the wild. I have seen horses that don't know what grass or hay is because all they have ever eaten is grain. We allow hunting licenses for deer, moose and other wild herbivores to prevent overpopulation an to help prevent them from starving to death. Slaughter may not be the best solution but at least it serves a purpose. With the slaughter facilities outside of the US it has taken the ability to prevent some of the more inhumane practices. At least if it is done in the states we can regulate it. Like Lin said the slaughter facilities outside of the states are worse.
Vote no
Jodi Messenich
March 30, 2009, 10:59pm (report abuse)Let us take the current Brand Inspectors or Agricultural Committees and put them to work in the following areas
License all stallions and let the fees for the licensing go to cover the Agricultural Inspectors fees.
Secondly start charging a breeding fee for every foal born, call it an End of Life Fee this fee would be held by the states the fees should be steep enough to cover end of life fees, along with help in replacing the
Revenue from the horse meat lost by elimination of horse meat sales.
Lastly let us impose the End of Life Fee as a tax to all who profit from horses. All horse show, horse races, equine goods, large animal veterinarians, Veterinarian hospitals, everything to do with horses has that tax. That tax will replace the lost revenue from horse meat.
What this all boils down to; money, and not have horses suffer the human greed, let man have his money and horses maintain their dignity with a dignified end of life clause for all breeders.
Uintah Utah
March 30, 2009, 11:09pm (report abuse)So you want to replace foreign funding with US funding in short that is economically suicidal. We are having enough problems with our economy right now without increasing costs with unnecessary taxes. Who is going to pay for all the wild horses having foals?
vicki
(logged in user) March 30, 2009, 11:17pm (report abuse)Uintah, Utah, actually the investigations and FOIAs have proven that the slaughter process in the US was no more humane than across the borders.
We don't need funding for the BLM. The solution is easy. The horses were doing just fine. The BLM created the mess with their unnecessary round-ups. They need to remove the privately owned cattle from the federal land and return the horses. They have dwindled from over 2 Million down to 13,000- 16,000. Every time the BLM removes horses, the cattle count increases. If they need to manage numbers, they can start with removing the 6 MILLION cattle that don't belong on the land.
MJNYC
March 30, 2009, 11:28pm (report abuse)Oh, Dave D aren't you the brilliant light bulb in your group.
Actually, Conrad Burns did not get elected because everyone saw what a creep he was. And that's what this issue seems to do, i.e., enlighten those that have a mind.
Funnily though, I've never heard Vicki or John Holland put out a threat to anyone. You seem to be a lot more angry than they are.
People want their elected leaders to listen to them and not deceive them. Doh!
Leah
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 12:26am (report abuse)Hi Taryn:
After Butcher's state of calling the mentally challenged vegetables and a fellow Native American representative of Montana "Chief" in a derogatory way and had to apologize last Friday before the house I would not be surprised of anything this sick man has to say.
The bottom line regarding horse slaughter is that there is no need for a market. What they are trying to do is create a market in the United States so they can earn blood money at the expense of horses lives.
Stop breeding for a year and see where we are at and we will find there would be no need to slaughter horses at all.
Leah
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 12:35am (report abuse)To Uintah, Utah:
If being bump around on a cow is an example of good sports then I would have to be sad for both the cow and the man riding it.
Rodeo's are an inhumane sport in which the animals suffer for the fun of it. I line it up with horse tripping and bull fighting, of both which are at least band in California and other states are calling a hault to those as well.
When people think hurting animals to get them to do things that are not natural to their natures and enjoy such activities have a very low mentality in my book.
Any animal sport that hurts animals in this world for the sake of fun and amusement needs to be addressed and ended.
Valerie James-Patton
March 31, 2009, 3:00am (report abuse)Leah's right about the pro-slaughter's plans to create a horse meat market in the US. On the Wyoming Ag Coalition. org site,
http://www.wyoagcoalition.org/index_files/Page2084.htm, the plans are laid out for creating a horse meat market in the US, as well as plans to feed our "abundant resource" of BLM wild horses to the hungry people in the world. Read these documents:
NCSL Power Point Presentation, Letter to US Congress & State Legislatures, Ashton Graham- New Mexico - BLM Horses Graduate Paper.
Conrad Burns, and Charles Stenholm are helping Wy state Rep.Sue Wallis use her legislative seat to push their radical and irrational plan of imposing a horse-meat-eating culture on Americans, even though we don't eat horses here.
Wallis goes way beyond the sensationalism that she accuses 'animal activist radicals' of...she's outrageous. Being a cattle rancher, it's typical she dislikes wild horses, but to push her horse-meat-eating agenda on us shows her lack of morals.
Elle
March 31, 2009, 3:16am (report abuse)Here is proof that horses are classified as 'companion' animals and NOT livestock:
http://manesandtailsorganization.org/equine_euth_brochure.asp.htm
Sue Wallis is really dumb. She is unaware that she has to BUY the horses from the BLM and they do not sell the horses for slaughter.
If there is one thing I cannot tolerate, it is an idiot with an audience.
Lin
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 7:23am (report abuse)Utah, I didn't say worse out of country....I said worse in Mexico, put it this way stabbed in the spine till they drop, skinned alive. US and Canada, struck 4 or 5 times with a captive bolt till they go down. Still alive for the butchering process. Horse slaughter was not regulated here. You lost your chance to fight for them. Pro slaughter you turned your back on them, when we have been screaming about this for years. Horse slaughter can not be an option. I know all about bull riding, and it don't compare to a horse winning gold metals, and ribbons. I want to see a cow, pick up handicap people and take care of that person on a trail.Save the horses pass S.727
Terri
March 31, 2009, 7:56am (report abuse)Horses Are Companion Animals not Food for some foreign "gourmet"
Horses helped build this Nation and deserve Better!!
SAVE OUR HORSES PLEASE PASS S727 !!!
Anita
March 31, 2009, 9:42am (report abuse)Maybe the Anti's should have it their way. Let's remove 6 MILLION cattle from (federal land) the food chain, let's ban horse slaughter, let's tax the American people with the enforcement of this issue. In a few years when people will start to feel hunger pains, maybe a horse steak won't be such a bad idea. My advice to the pro slaughter's is to start supporting the National Rifle Association, cattle rustling will be on the rise.
Speaking my peace
March 31, 2009, 10:14am (report abuse)Horses are used for human consumption here in the US. I do not choose to eat them but there are nationalities that live here that do. They should have the freedoms to do so and we should be able to choose what happens to our unwanted horses also. There are a lot of state and local agencies that are putting money into unwanted horses that will never have anything done with them and are paying for a "dead horse" so to speak. All of you people who are for the pass of this bill should turn your time and money towards helping people and families that are in an abusive situation and let us people that are in the horse industry and really love these animal do what is best for them. Please do not pass this bill!
MJNYC
March 31, 2009, 10:17am (report abuse)What a GREAT idea, Anita. Yes, let's remove the 6 million cattle from the federal lands that were designated for the wild horses.
Why should I subsidize cattle ranchers?
Anita
March 31, 2009, 10:55am (report abuse)To MJNYC,
Here is a better question: Why should we subsidize wild horses? How do wild horses give us anything back? At least the cattle ranchers are feeding our nation.
vicki
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 11:00am (report abuse)Speaking my peace, when someone becomes a citizen of another country, they assimilate into society. That means they adopt the cultures of the country they moved to. That doesn’t mean they forget their cultures or where they came from. There are countries that have cannibalism. With your theory, if they move to our country we should allow them access to human meat. We have a large population of Asians. Should we start slaughtering our dogs and cats so they can have access to dog and cat meat? Should we throw all our drug laws out because drugs are acceptable in other countries and some of those folks are living in the US?
What a ridiculous argument. You folks will stop at nothing to keep promoting cruelty. There is absolutely no justification to continue a cruel, abusive business for the irresponsible breeders and owners of 2% of the horse population.
PASS S 727 Congress read the myths and inventions of the pro slaughter.
cattle rustling
March 31, 2009, 11:01am (report abuse)help- stolen black angus cattle
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Date: 2009-03-20, 9:37PM
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MJNYC
March 31, 2009, 11:04am (report abuse)Why should we feed the homeless? Why should we revere and protect the bald eagle, why should we protect the whales?
Why should we do anything in this world unless it gives something back?
The reason is because we should care about our fellow inhabitants on this planet, because we are all connected, whether they have a voice or no voice at all.
It is sad to hear someone say that they won't do something, because it gives nothing back to them. It's a very selfish attitude and does not help our planet or yourself in any way.
We are all connected and we had better learn this quickly.
And btw, since you are so big on getting things back, horses give a lot back. They serve in our police forces, military, therapy and just give us pleasure.
I guess you are of the mind that unless you can eat it, it's not worth anything?
Anita
March 31, 2009, 11:52am (report abuse)I agree we should protect our wild horses, but HOW many do we need?
We need to feed our people and take care of our country's financial mess. We need to enforce/create laws that promote this. If we take care of country and it's people we will be in better shape to take care of our animals.
Anita
March 31, 2009, 12:01pm (report abuse)BTW MJNYC,
I know first hand what horses give back. My own horses all have jobs, I take outstanding care of them and in return they are expected to work. When they can't do their job anymore, there is usually a kid they can adopt to teach and their life takes on a different purpose. When old age or poor health takes over, I insure they do not suffer.
vicki
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 12:08pm (report abuse)Anita, there is no need to manage the numbers or care for wild horses. They are wild. The land was set aside for the horses. Let them be and let mother nature take over. The BLM created the mess with the unnecessary round-ups. They whine they can’t afford to feed them and then keep rounding up more. They move fences to cut off water and continue to push them out. The situation didn’t just happen, it was created. Everyone knows what is going on and what they are doing. We can only hope whoever takes over will turn things around and run the BLM the way it should be run and just let the horses be wild horses.
Lin
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 12:27pm (report abuse)"People that are in the horse industry and really love these animals," . Tell that to the one that went down on the truck and they stuck a cattle prod up is ass. tell that to the one that had his eyes poked out, tell it to the one that was hung upside down still alive and blowing bubbles in his own blood. I am an American horse owner, I want this disgrace to stop. I have a close friend that has been a cattle rancher for over 40 years....they have over 80 horses ... and when it was time they have a dignified death. I thank god that there are plenty of ranchers like them. People that can betray an animal can betray their own family and friends. Save the horses from this dispecable business, pass S. 727
Paul, Utah
March 31, 2009, 12:27pm (report abuse)I am guess I am not surprised by the holier-than-thou bearing of those in favor of this bill, and their true lack of compassion regarding the heightened horse abuse that has resulted from the loss of slaughter as an outlet for unwanted horses. It all falls back to the fundamental argument: who is more important? Human or Animal.
People are ALWAYS more important to many of us. Obviously, we will never convince those who think the animal is more important--its an argument that can never be won based on pure logic.
Lin
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 12:54pm (report abuse)Paul, holier than thou, animals are the innocents of this world, we are the care takers. Paul you can send your horse to slaughter any time you want. It didn't stop.
There is no unwanted horse it's called over breeding.
Lin
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 1:03pm (report abuse)The humans eating American horses are paying 20 to 40 dollars a pound. They are rich people dining on your cast offs,and the money goes to a Beligum butcher. oh I guess he is important. I would never send my horses to a fate like this. My grandparents during the depression didn\'t sent theirs.. I guess it depends if you think your horses are friends and partners or disposable item.
There is nothing wrong with caring for animals and not wanting them to suffer a disgraceful death.
Valerie James-Patton
March 31, 2009, 1:10pm (report abuse)Paul,
What does slaughtering horses have to do with whether or not humans are more important than animals? And if you looked at the statistics on slaughtered horses last year after the closure of the U.S. facilities, you'd see that the numbers of U.S. slaughtered horses has increased, so there has been no lack of slaughter for American horses. Any abuse horses currently suffer from, can not be blamed on a lack of slaughter.
Leah
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 1:19pm (report abuse)One way or the other everything gives something back. We may not see the benefits clearly, but everything does in some way.
Some give back good things and some give back bad things, but everything does something.It is cause and affect.
6 million cows on BLM land is killing our wild heritage lands for the sake of food.
People eat way to much meat and it is killing them day after day. 10 billion animals killed for food is a nightmare that is going to come back to haunt us with a medical horror beyond imagination.
I am no advocating people stop eating meat, but the amount is way out of control so that the slaughter facilities are now open 24/7 just to keep up with the demand.
And now we want to do more slaughter by opening up horse slaughter plants and killing even more animals for food.
I still believe in my mind that there is something going on regarding horse slaughter that we are not seeing out in the open.
One way or the other it will come out.
Dan, Utah
March 31, 2009, 1:21pm (report abuse)FYI, BLM land was not set aside for wild horses. Our current wild horse population is largely descended from feral horses and will destroy their range from overpopulation and overgrazing if left unmanaged. Our U.S. horse population is in a crisis. Horses are abandoned everyday to the wild herds and various places. Slaughter has been the practical solution for many, many years. Euthanization is too expensive for many people. Diana, I challenge you to suggest a workable alternative because what we have now is a major problem.
vicki
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 1:34pm (report abuse)Dan, Utah – anyone wishing to send their horse to slaughter can still do so. Based on your comments, it is obvious that slaughter is not the answer. If your claims are accurate, those folks could have dumped their horses at slaughter just like the breeders and owners of the horses of over 120,000 horses.
Are they not sending them for the same reason they didn’t send them when the plants in US were open? Abuse, neglect and abandonment are nothing new. They did it when the plants were open, they are doing it now that slaughter is still available and they’ll do it when slaughter ends. There is no correlation between the availability of slaughter and abuse, neglect and abandonment and is not a justification for a cruel, abusive business. Slaughter does not prevent irresponsibility, it promotes it.
If the breeders and owners would take responsibility and quit bringing horses into the population when the demand is down, there wouldn't be a “crisis”.
Leah
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 1:44pm (report abuse)The truth be told man is the only creature that creates imbalance in this world.
Everything in nature follows the balance God intended them to do, but man destroys over and over again.
We are the only creatures capable of taking and not giving back.
We kill the wolves to protect our cattle and do not realize the fact that this allows many wild animals without predator's to keep the balance in check.
Then we kill the wildlife so that there will not be to many of them, but we do not eat them, we waste the lives of these dead animals in the name of sport.
Indeed we are the worse creatures on this earth. How much better the world would be without us.
But God says otherwise and endows us with power and abilities to do great things,
But we continue to kill and destroy despite the good things that we can do and do not do enough of. We are indeed sinful creatures that have forgotten to follow the will and purpose of God in our lives. What a shame!
Leah
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 1:46pm (report abuse)Can you pro people please explain to me your obsession to kill our horses so that the foreign companies can be made rich and so that rich people in Europe and Japan can eat our horses?
What a selfless act you are doing for the rich!
Or is it?
What is your gain out of it?
Dan, Utah
March 31, 2009, 1:50pm (report abuse)Vicki, Slaughter is not available in the U.S. People seek the cheapest/simplest solution to their problem. Since localized slaughter is no longer available, abandonment is the new solution. Many have acquired horses but lack sufficient experience to handle the responsibility. You are quick to condemn slaughter. Be equally as quick with a workable solution.
Dan, Utah
March 31, 2009, 2:01pm (report abuse)Leah, All things must balance in nature, right? Too many horses, too many elk & deer, too many wolves, too many whatever and we have a problem. You are not well informed about wolves, wildlife, & cattle. You are correct about man creating imbalance. What is your solution?
Diana
March 31, 2009, 2:07pm (report abuse)Is this what we want brought back to the US? Note that this is the same company, Cavel, that had the horse slaughter plant in Illinois. Fortunately this slaughter plant in Canada has also been shut down.
Warning: pictures and video footage is graphic.
http://www.defendhorsescanada.org/info.php?id=20080328
Pass S.727 and stop the American horse holocaust.
vicki
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 2:24pm (report abuse)Dan, Utah – you are not correct. Horses are being slaughtered in the US everyday for non human consumption. If anyone wants to send their horse to slaughter, nothing is stopping them. Same auctions, same kill buyers. Over 120,000 American horses were sent to slaughter. Where it happens is irrelevant. It is still available. There are many alternatives to slaughter and we have posted them over and over again. The quick fix is to stop the breeders from overbreeding. Quit breeding and dumping. Don’t bring more horses into the population than there is a demand for. You can start with the AQHA that registered 140,000 foals last year. They are leading the trucks going to slaughter. Slaughter is a cruel, abusive end to a horse’s life. The investigations and FOIAs have proven it over and over again.
D. Masters
March 31, 2009, 2:33pm (report abuse)Sorry. Two forms of slaughter for US horses continues in the US (Farm Bureau lie #???)as we exchange posts. 1-Slaughter and rendering for nonhuman consumption and 2-rounding them up, frequently going to the exact same or new SHs in Canada/Asia('cause they like 'em live frequently)/Mexico. Either you are HIGHLY uneducated (and like to stay that way) or thick as a stump. Solutions have been repeated over and over again....go read them here and on HR503 thread. Go put your thinking cap on first.
You want to dump a horse??? Then you shouldn't get a few measely bucks brutalizing the horse while purveying contaminated meat to humans.
PASS SB727...shut down the reckless, irresponsible users and abusers of US equines.
JerseyRenegade
March 31, 2009, 2:47pm (report abuse)There seems to be a huge difference when categorizing cattle and horses.Cattle are livestock as one reader commented.And I will clarify the what horses are to meat mongers if horses are not used for consumption. DEADSTOCK! That is what the BLM and Cattle ranchers consider ALL HORSES that are not usable to suit their needs.
PaulUtah
March 31, 2009, 2:58pm (report abuse)So why is it cruel to eat a horse? A dead horse is a dead horse no matter how it died. Why not legislate humane slaughter? Who cares what happens after it is humanely put down?
Paul Utah
March 31, 2009, 3:03pm (report abuse)Lin,
Is it wrong for someone to get rich? Or just get rich selling horse meat? Wondering if this is a "class warfare" argument or a "filthy lucre" argument.
Diana
March 31, 2009, 3:07pm (report abuse)Well, well, well. It seems the largest case of animal abuse on record in the state of Oregon occurred in 2002, well before any of the US slaughter plants were closed:
http://www.ktvz.com/Global/story.asp?S=10098582
"The largest case of animal abuse ever recorded in the state happened back in 2002 in Millican. The Deschutes County Sheriff's Office rescued 129 neglected and malnourished horses.
Many of them were filled with worms, had curling hooves, frost bite and were starving. Wayne and Rebecca Nichols were arrested and convicted on 150 counts of animal abuse, sending them to jail with hefty fines.
It was learned after their arrest that the couple had done this same thing before when they lived in Thurston County, Wash."
Just goes to prove, yet again, what we've been saying all along: availability of slaughter does NOT prevent abuse/neglect/abandonment.
Vote YES on S.727, it's the right thing to do.
Paul Utah
March 31, 2009, 3:10pm (report abuse)Valerie,
The horse-slaughter argument is classic example of "animals are more important" philosophy that permeates all these emotionally hot animal rights discussions. Just see all the examples here of the theme "people bad, its all their fault, they should be punished--animals all good and need to be protected." The problem, logically, is where do you draw the line? Horses? Dogs? Rats? Cockroaches? Mice? (all are kept as pets)
Paul Utah
March 31, 2009, 3:13pm (report abuse)Diana,
You can\'t seriously think that is a valid argument? You really don\'t think the end of horse slaughter hasn\'t added pressure to an already dire situation? I love how you libs try to assuage your guilt over the increase in abuse we see today--in part due to the end of local slaughter.
Diana
March 31, 2009, 3:29pm (report abuse)Paul, what part of "horse slaughter has not ended" don't you understand? If horse slaughter has ended, then why do we need this bill and HR503 to stop it?
Horses are rarely taken straight to the plant by the owner. They usually are taken to local sales where killer buyers pick them up. When they get a load of horses together, they ship them to the plant.
Do you even have horse? I doubt it. Your ignorance is bliss, for you anyway.
The only guilt I will have is if I fail to do my part to get these bills passed. The horses have suffered enough. Next thing you know you pros will be fighting to slaughter our dogs and cats. Where will it stop?
Vote YES on S.727 and HR503!
Lin
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 3:47pm (report abuse)Paul Utah. I don\\\'t care who gets rich, I don\\\'t want them eating American horses, wild or demesticated.. The horse situation in the United States is a disgrace. butchered alive, horses are not food animals in the United States and I am not going to ignore this, I am not going to sit back and watch over breeding, Senators and the AQHA with thier hands out to keep this atrocity going. Stop the slaughter.
Horse slaughter is an American Disgrace.
get a clue
March 31, 2009, 3:53pm (report abuse)Paul, you are right, it is just the beginning. go to www.actvistcash.com and see for yourself what HSUS and PETA's hidden agendas are and how many millions they rake in from the unsuspecting public!
vicki
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 4:03pm (report abuse)Paul, what is so hard to understand. Horses are not food animals in this country. We slaughter animals that we CONSUME IN THE US. Horses serve many purposes in our society, none of them being a food animals. There is nothing wrong with eating horse meat. We have said that over and over again. If the Europeans want to eat horses, they can butcher their own.
There is nothing wrong with “getting rich”. I would think you would be more worried about the economy in the US than in Belgium. Horse slaughter is a cruel, abusive industry driven by foreign greed and the demand for meat. It is not a US export and does nothing for the US except allow legalized cruelty and promote irresponsibility. And that is just the way the Belgians like it - wreak havoc on the US horse industry, wrap you guys around their fingers and play you like puppets.
get a clue
March 31, 2009, 4:11pm (report abuse)wrong Vicki...We slaughter animals in the U.S. that we and the world consume. We are the #1 food producing nation in the world. Horsemeat production and export is a secondary market and is a lost commodity, that up until the plants closed created a base price and provided a salvage value for the horsemarket. Consequently, horse prices have dropped, and now people cant give them away.
vicki
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 4:15pm (report abuse)Clue, PETA is not involved in the anti horse slaughter efforts. You know this. You can keep saying over and over again that we are vegans, animal rights activists, we want to ban livestock slaughter and on and on. It is all pro slaughter propaganda and nobody is buying it on this thread any more than they bought it on the 503 thread.
All we want to do is stop the slaughter of American horses. You can keep on with your drivel but anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows it is all lies and scare tactics meant to play upon people’s emotions and to try scare them to your side.
You guys must really be getting desperate. Instead of making up stuff, how about presenting some facts and perhaps people will listen to you. Just like the stunt the MT AQHA tried to pull with their lies. It is really getting quite humorous.
Speaking my peace
March 31, 2009, 4:19pm (report abuse)Name calling does not help. Government is here to protect our rights, not take our rights away. Working together for the good of horses and owners would be to say NO to this bill and work to open these plants and have them regulated to protect the inhumane treatment of horses.
vicki
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 4:30pm (report abuse)Speaking, how are you going to regulate the plants? They haven't been able to in all the years they were open and still can't regulate the transport. The cruelty and abuse is prevalent through the entire process. MT is looking at using Velda. They aren’t going to change. All they do is challenge the laws and violations and have the state in litigation for years – with our tax dollars, of course, because they don’t pay federal tax. Dallas Crown still has unpaid violations.
What is the plan? Why do you support slaughter of an animal that is not a food animal?
get a clue
March 31, 2009, 4:33pm (report abuse)No more lies and scare tactics than you propagate Vick...you have twisted and blown all your so called "evidence" out of proportion from day one. Maybe you are backed by PETA and HSUS, maybe you arent, its anybody's guess. I do know that you and your supporters are not helping the horses. You refuse to beleive there is a real problem with handling the over flow, you seem to think there are homes and enough shelters for them all, and you refuse to ackowledge the news reports of animals starving and dying of neglect all over the country. What will it take to make you realise that these animals are suffering more now than they ever did?
Dan, Utah
March 31, 2009, 4:39pm (report abuse)D. Masters: HR503 &S727 propose a ban on slaughter and provide punishment, nothing more. That is not a solution, it compounds the problem because many people will not spend the money to legally dispose of a horse.
get a clue
March 31, 2009, 4:40pm (report abuse)There is always a way...ALWAYS. get the plants open, train the personel, unnanounced inspections, heavy fines, if they dont pay their fines, shut em down for a week. If they still dont comply shut em down and seize their assets. any questions?
LIN
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 5:01pm (report abuse)There is a problem called over breeding, keeping what we want and getting rid of the rest...we don't want to pay for a vet to put our unwanted down, we rather sell them to a KB and get a couple hundred bucks....we have an organization that collects registration fees and they think there is going to be a horse shortage...BREWER WITH HIS BREED BABY BREED....LET'S TALK ABOUT ARTIFICAL INSEMINATION AND CLONING? LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY YOU THINK IT'S FINE TO SEND A HORSE TO A HORRIFIC DEATH. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY YOU HAVE A BIG MOUTH IN THIS AND DIDN'T DO ANY INVESTIGATIONS YOUR SELF. I DID AND MANY OTHERS ON HERE....WE ARE NOT PETA, WE ARE HORSE OWNING AMERCIANS THAT WANT HORSES SAFE FROM BEING BUTCHERED ALIVE. LIKE I SAID WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THIS FOR YEARS....THE ABUSE AND PRO DID NOTHING....NOW IT'S TOO LATE
LIN
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 5:07pm (report abuse)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcZY0Nkcyow&feature=channel_page
It's Too Late To Apologize
Leah
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 5:27pm (report abuse)Get A Clue Said:
"There is always a way...ALWAYS. get the plants open, train the personel, unnanounced inspections, heavy fines, if they dont pay their fines, shut em down for a week. If they still dont comply shut em down and seize their assets. any questions?"
All that was done and more and still the horses suffered and even livestock animals are suffering and being abused.
You can all the resources regulations and manpower, but in the end there is way around it.
Under the table pays, look the other way, cut corners, cheap labor, unskilled workers, etc., goes on and on and it happened here and it will happen again.
All the above cost money and does not come cheap and people do not want to pay top dollar to protect the horses when profits are the margin.
There is only one way and that is to not have horse slaughter in the United States and to stop sending our horses across the borders to places. That is the best and simplest law to enforce.
Leah
(logged in user) March 31, 2009, 5:31pm (report abuse)Think upon this:
Regulations to the people who sell their horses for slaughter.
Regulations to the auction facilities of which horses can be sold for slaughter and their status.
Regulations of the vets who inspect the horses and give them a bill of health for slaughter.
Regulations for the transport drivers and trucks to be inspected and tacked.
Regulations at the feedlots that horses are kept in safe and clean facilities to be fattened.
Regulations and inspections of manpower to make sure the horses are slaughtered humanely, which is not possible and be sure that the meat is kept safe for consumption of man and beasts.
Now who is going to pay for all those regulations? I do not want my tax dollars paying for all those regulations, but that people take their responsibility to end their horses life humanely as they kept them in life.
That costs me nothing.
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