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H.R. 915, The FAA Reauthorization Act of 2009 (78 comments ↓ | 9 wiki edits: view article ↓)

H.R. 915 would amend title 49, United States Code, to authorize appropriations for the Federal Aviation Administration for fiscal years 2009 through 2012, to improve aviation safety and capacity, to provide stable funding for the national aviation system.

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svr111

February 12, 2009, 11:53pm (report abuse)

We need this bill to pass in full. It is for the safety, integrity of the flying public. It is for the keeping the most qualified peole in the positions that really keep the flying public safe. It is for true negotiations between a working force and their archaic employer.

Mark

March 1, 2009, 1:57pm (report abuse)

It is ludicrous that us controllers are working under imposed work rules and not a contract. This bill needs to pass immediately and get the FAA back on track as far as a govt agency, do the right thing!!

Mark

April 2, 2009, 3:34pm (report abuse)

This bill does NOT need to pass "in full". The nonsense about the RLA at the end is simply something UPS has lobbied in hopes of wiping out its competition. Remove that piece, and you can have the rest.

David2

April 27, 2009, 10:23am (report abuse)

I don't think the cost per family is really accurate since most of the money to fund the bill comes from a ticket tax on airline passengers. If you and your family don't fly, your cost is much less.

Winger

May 3, 2009, 9:51pm (report abuse)

I agree Mark. The RLA attachment is typical Washington politics. This is a great bill and the lobbyist for the Teamsters (and funded by UPS) have donated millions to taint this bill for their own selfish means. This bill is about airline safety. Yet it is going to get bottled up because of a trucking company!

C.S

May 4, 2009, 4:18pm (report abuse)

I work for Fedex Express and it is stupid for us delivery drivers to fall under the RLA and I hope we get properly placed under the NLRA.Truck drivers and delivery drivers have no place being classified as aviation workers.IF we get placed under the NLRA then Fedex will have to pay us comparable wages to UPS. Right now I make $15.29 an hr while UPS drivers make around $30 an hr.Now does everyone see why Fedex wants to keep us under the RLA?

D.H.

May 7, 2009, 11:30am (report abuse)

The way I understand Section 806 of H.R. 915, the amendment will appropriately provide equal treatment under labor law to employees performing the same functions at different companies, and will eliminate the special treatment currently given to one company over the other. This is about a level playing field for two fine companies. Let's give them a chance to fairly and equally compete in the marketplace. That's what America is all about.

SH

May 25, 2009, 6:31pm (report abuse)

C.S - nice try but you are comparing starting wages at FedEx with top wages at UPS! FedEx Express IS an airline (one of the largest in the world). If the couriers who carry air freight are not airline employees then neither are ticket agents for United Airlines. UPS is a trucking company that added air freight to it's system. FedEx Express hasn't changed. It is still primarily an air freight company. FedEx Ground, which is an entirely separate company, competes more head-to-head with UPS and is not effected by this bill.

BH

May 26, 2009, 7:03pm (report abuse)

SH Thats not entirely true. The only difference is that UPS drivers pick up ground and air packages while FedEx Express pick up only air. They both do delivers and pickups for air specific packages and should be held to the same rules. Oh, and in case your curious, FedEx is the top for freight airlines and one of the largest airlines in the world. UPS is also on the top 15 list and would be right up there with FedEx if they owned all their own small planes. FedEx has 672 planes including prop and local area, UPS has 262 but that is only jets, all small planes are leased.

C.S.

June 2, 2009, 8:07pm (report abuse)

I am not comparing starting wages. I started out at 12.59 and 6 years later I make a whopping 15.29 per hr.We do compete head to head with UPS because when they upgrade service in a certain area, what do we do?Of course, we upgrade service too.The only thing we don't compete with UPS on is compensation for couriers and once this bill passes the senate we will force fedex to compete with that too.

Palj

June 7, 2009, 1:09pm (report abuse)

Mark(aka Winger)
How long have you been a manager at Fedex? lol
The Bill will pass.
Deal with it.

"The Tiiimes They r-a-Chayynngin"

Hodger

June 9, 2009, 11:11am (report abuse)

C.S. Then go work for UPS. Who is MAKING you work for FedEx. This Bill won't get through the Senate (again) as is. It will be modified and most likely the peice that UPS has lobbied for will get removed.

C.S.

June 9, 2009, 11:23am (report abuse)

Hodger, we live in a democracy and I have every right to my opinion.I plan on sticking it out at Fedex in hopes things will change for the better and I will continue to voice my opinion.If you have a problem with that, then move to China or Russia.

TTop92

June 10, 2009, 9:31am (report abuse)

My hubby works at Fed Ex. I am an RN and grew up in a Union family. I HATE the UNIONS. The times are a-changin' for sure - - but GOING BACKWARDS!!!!!!!! All the unions do is impose wages on the employers who are trying to run a business. So, the usaually high school educated TRUCK driver makes $30 an hour. That screws the COLLEGE educated IT guy, Engineer and the other people that WORK ionthe OFFICE building tryingto run the business to keep your SORRY ASS on the road. OR did your forget about that?????? Those "managers" you talk about, take care of the LOGISTICS that you depend on so that your packages are there for your pick up and delivery. So, who's more worthy of $30 an hour. My Husband is, not you!!

C.S.

June 10, 2009, 2:51pm (report abuse)

If it wasn't for the drivers your husbands sorry ass wouldn't have a job either. Doesn't there have to be a work force, in order to have something to manage?

Palj

June 10, 2009, 9:06pm (report abuse)

"All unions do is impose wages on the employers" LOL, Is she for real?....How bout IMPOSE, FAIRNESS.
Most of the 'truck drivers" I work with DO have a college degrees, including me Missy.
"That screws the IT guy"
Have your IT guys work for another company then. Hey, maybe they can work in your hospital and monitor your 3 day work week, and maybe teach you and your divorced nurse pals to spell correctly...ie."USUALLY"
Have you "Hubby" speak for himself.

b carter

June 11, 2009, 12:28am (report abuse)

I watched as my former company, Emery Air Freight was run out of business due to the Teamsters inflated wages and prohibitive work rules that made it impossible for them to compete. I negotiated with ARMED Teamster Local management which threatened strikes, used intimidation on its own employees (not to mention management), beat them up on occasion, shot up our warehouses on occasion, and would not allow us to stress productivity in our negotiotions.
The end result was Emery was forced to go out of business as they could no longer remain competitive with FedEx. I then worked for FedEx for over 23 years and saw first hand what a great company could do with motivated well compensated employees.
The Teamsters are for loosers who can't or won't make it on there own initiative and have to rely on outside tough guys to do their heavy lifting.

FedEx Express is an airline with a pick-up & delivery service on each end and should be organized as they are, as an airline.

Unionman

June 11, 2009, 9:38am (report abuse)

How do you consider a delivery driver that bust their ass everyday only to make $15.29 per hr well compensated???

April66

June 11, 2009, 1:47pm (report abuse)

I work for UPS. I am not Union, I hate the union. UPS is not the problem. Why does Fedex say they will have to raise their rates. This is a 'legal' change not a monetary one.
And for the 'wife', all jobs depend on each other. I appreciate the man that dumps my trash can, he is no less worthy of his 12.00 an hour than the lady filing my charts.
The bill should pass, not to hurt Fedex, but to even the playing field. Have you checked our profits....UPS is doing well.
Thank you.

EvanH

June 11, 2009, 10:36pm (report abuse)

Anyone not read the "Specifies FAA services for which user fees may be charged" part of this for us private pilots?

Prime8

June 12, 2009, 3:09pm (report abuse)

FedEx and UPS package handlers perform the same jobs. They pick-up, sort and deliver packages. We're not talking the pilots or air ramp employee's. They should be under the same labor laws.

FedEx just has to do it under two different brands Express and Ground. UPS does it together. Both have airplanes, both have trucks. Both deliver letters and parcels.

I have to agree with DH: This is about a level playing field for two fine companies. Let's give them a chance to fairly and equally compete in the marketplace.

MrtMlt

June 12, 2009, 6:15pm (report abuse)

Any individual should avoid the Teamsters at all costs. All their lobbying did'nt help from recent job loss at UPS did they, more on the way! If FedEx ever became union, they better stay clear of the corupted Teamsters.

BigFish

June 12, 2009, 6:20pm (report abuse)

UPS and the Teamsters are showing their true colors. PORK BELLYING at the finest. Should either be trusted to work for?, or to have represent you? I think NOT!

Palj

June 14, 2009, 4:07pm (report abuse)

Speaking of "true colors"...I believe, based on the Fedex website, BrownBailout..., that
Mr. Smith's true colors are being exposed for all the business world to see.

Courier

June 16, 2009, 9:10pm (report abuse)

Fedex has done all they can to ensure that a union can not take hold, from classifying FedexGround employees as independent contractors to using an antiquated law to classify them as an airline. I have worked at Fedex for 10 years as a courier and so far I have lost my pension, lost the company match for my 401K and been denied a raise while Fedex continues to support golf tournaments and racing teams.

Alfonso

June 16, 2009, 10:21pm (report abuse)

UPS has enough of the market. Why in gods name would they want more of the market share. UPS/Teamsters leave FedEx alone. Jimmy Hoffa what qualifications does this guys have. Pfffft. Unions are no longer needed.

goguy

June 16, 2009, 10:24pm (report abuse)

UPS tried to go under RLA in 1996 and failed. Sooooo now they try this way to get the "trusted" haa haa teamsters to go after FedEx. There is a reason why FedEx is been on the best places to work list for the past 12 years. They done treat their people like UPS.

Gregg

June 16, 2009, 10:31pm (report abuse)

Check out jimmy hoffa on youtube say in a "Organize FedEx" campaign meeting. This dope actually says he is excited about the day he sees all the packages out of the whitehouse picked up by UPS. Not to smart Jimmy,,Hummm your in a FedEx meeting...what a dope.

Palj

June 17, 2009, 4:03pm (report abuse)

I agree, Unions should not be needed in todays world...However,
as long as there are companys like Fedex and CEO's like Fred Smith, they will flourish.

And as far as the surveys that declare Fedex as one of the"best places to work"....its an OLD survey!...its a modern day sweatshop.

gregg

June 18, 2009, 1:53pm (report abuse)

sweatshop. My brother works there and far from it. Teamsters are hurting for membership thats why they are coming after FedEx. As for survey, its done yearly my friend..nice try. Lets see Fred Smith or Jimmy Hoffa hmmmm what qualifications does jimmy hoffa have a corrupt last name. UPS is the sweatshop.

Courier

June 18, 2009, 8:05pm (report abuse)

Gregg, If your brother works at Fedex you should know that the company is ripe for unionization. There is really nothing else they can take away from us at this point. My pension losses alone will ensure that I lose almost $3000 per month in retirement. This is retirement that I busted my ass to earn. If Fedex is such a great place to work then they should have nothing to worry about! Let us vote on the union, not Fred Smith and his Board of Directors.

CourierII

June 19, 2009, 6:03pm (report abuse)

This has nothing to do with aviation! The Teamsters spent
alot of money and effort to the current sitting President. Now they want payback! Pure and simple!
It is my opinion that Unions are outdated. If you are not happy with a non-union shop, there is always work somewhere else.

gregg

June 20, 2009, 11:57am (report abuse)

Pension is a problem for every company with costs. Look at the central states pension that went broke under administration of the unions. I have article after article of people indicted because of missmanagement of the unions. At least FedEx is funded 86%. Again the teamsters are hurt. Let me ask you this Why would UPS try and apply for RLA cert in 1996?? You have not answered that. Teamsters said absolutely not....answer the question.

Prime8

June 24, 2009, 1:42pm (report abuse)

Some folks seem to miss the point. When companies do the same thing - in this case pickup sort and deliver packages - they should be treated the same and work under the same labor laws. That is the point of the revision in the bill. Fedex is the ONLY company in the transportation industry (that means not just UPS) covered by the RLA. If UPS tried to get under that labor agreement in 1996 it's because they wanted to be on a level playing field with their major competitor.

Obfusc8

June 24, 2009, 1:46pm (report abuse)

As far as unions are concerned, UPS drivers have the highest wages and best benefits in the industry and UPS still makes money.

It seems that if FedEx is so concerned with the possibility of unionization, then maybe their employees are not being treated all that well. If the employees are truly happy with their working conditions, their current and retirement benefits and their pay, then a union vote from the workers would be a simple “No.” If not, then maybe the employees aren't all that happy with their working conditions after all.

Wake Up

June 28, 2009, 12:06am (report abuse)

UPS has one of the longest pay progressions, so the so called high pay never does pays off. Work several years for peanuts then spend the rest of your career trying to make it up. Real good deal if you start there when you are 12!

Good Book

June 28, 2009, 12:11am (report abuse)

"Confessions of a Union Buster" basically sums up that the awful companies that don't meet the basic 3 people fundamentals will always have the need for a union. Why else would one pay dues from their hard earned check? And how long has UPS had their badly needed union? pretty much says it all!

Not Anti Union

June 28, 2009, 12:15am (report abuse)

As Union membership clearly has been and will continue to be reduced, one must consider the fact that Companies may be better meeting the needs of their employees without the need for a Union. Therfore the reduction in overall Union Membership Nationwide may not actually be such a bad thing. Think about it.

gregg

June 30, 2009, 7:58pm (report abuse)

Prime your missing the point we are not the same companies. UPS is grouuuuuuuund we are express. We are the same only with our ground division and no one is arguing that. BUt express, i dont see airplanes delivering to peoples homes. 90 percent of express is flown and time sensitive, something UPS does not do even to this day. And by the way level playing field, UPS market cap is 64 billion Fedex 17 billion. Dude lets face it UPS just wants to monopolize period. they are not hurting for money they just want to hurt for more.

gregg

June 30, 2009, 8:01pm (report abuse)

and by the way all the Union supporters, can someone finally answer the question what qualification Jimmy Hoffa has????? I cant wait to hear this one. Only one i can think of is he has not be indicted in last 15 years so he's on a roll.

Prime8

July 6, 2009, 9:29am (report abuse)

Gregg - do you realize that UPS has an airline division just like FedEx. In fact UPS delivers more packages overnight on time in the US as anyone (yes some are done through their ground network). UPS also delivers overnight (premium) by 8:30 and 10:30 to more businesses and ZIP codes than FedEx. Those are facts. But it's not those facts that need debated.

The point is both companies deliver ground packages and both companies have airlines and deliver premium packages. FedEx started as an airline and now delivers ground packages. UPS started as a ground delivery company and now delivers air packages. They are both transportation companies. All transportation companies (not just UPS or FedEx) should be treated the same and have the same labor laws applied to them to be on a level playing field.

BL

July 6, 2009, 5:45pm (report abuse)

Hey Palj: Regarding your message (June 10, 2009, 9:06pm), I guess you don't have a college degree. Your use of "i.e." is incorrect. Shouldn't it be "e.g."? Also, your punctuation needs correction. My two-cents.

Cheers,
Bill

Mark

July 8, 2009, 1:16pm (report abuse)

Also this bill does not FORCE fedex to unionize, so wake up. It allows the workers of fedex to chose whether or not to join a union. If they are treated so well then why are you worried? You are worried because they are treated like crap. This bill will pass and its up to the hard working people at fedex to decided.

WTD

July 9, 2009, 5:23am (report abuse)

This bill has nothing to do with whether or not FedEx should unionize. I work for UPS, and see no reason for there to be a union, but once again, that is not what this bill is about. The reason it should go through, is that there is an uneven playing field between the 2 companies. FedEx drivers have nothing to do with Airlines, other than they drive the packages that are shipped by air. UPS drivers do the same thing, yet are held under different guidelines. Yes, the teamsters might be pushing for this to try and hurt FedEx, but it only makes sense. Fast food places use the same labor laws, whether their burgers are fried or flame broiled. TV shows and movies use the same rating systems whether they are foreign or domestic. FedEx and UPS should have the same guidelines and rules for doing the same job.

WTD

July 9, 2009, 5:36am (report abuse)

And what is with all of the Jimmy Hoffa bashing?(gregg) Jimmy Hoffa was a powerful negotiator. When he had to argue for something, he usually got his way. Hoffa did a great thing when he started, what turned into, one of the strongest unions in the country. As for his qualifications? He worked for a food warehouse during the great depression, where workers had to show up for 12 hour shifts, but were only paid for the time they were loading or unloading trucks. They were not being paid when waiting for trucks to arrive, but could not leave until their 12 hours were up. If there were only 5 trucks to load/unload, that was all you got paid for...even though you had to be there for 12 hours. The man LIVED through unfair wages/hours/working conditions, and fought for a change. There are his qualifications.

sWI

July 9, 2009, 3:10pm (report abuse)

I agree that this bill should not be passed in full. Say NO TO CORPORATE GREED!!!

TNT

July 9, 2009, 6:21pm (report abuse)

If Fedex is so great to work for then why are their pilots unionized and their other employees not even allowed the opportunity to decide one way or the other?

TNT

July 9, 2009, 6:31pm (report abuse)

My hubby works at Fed Ex. I am an RN and grew up in a Union family. I HATE the UNIONS. The times are a-changin' for sure - - but GOING BACKWARDS!!!!!!!! All the unions do is impose wages on the employers who are trying to run a business. So, the usaually high school educated TRUCK driver makes $30 an hour. That screws the COLLEGE educated IT guy, Engineer and the other people that WORK ionthe OFFICE building tryingto run the business to keep your SORRY ASS on the road.

This is great coming from a RN! Honey your industry is bankrupting this country as any company that provides health insurance can attest to. Say what you want about unionized companies but I would argue that they look out for the health and welfare of their members better than non-union companies like Fedex. That is pretty hard to do when you consider how bloated the medical industry has become...What we need is more competition in the medical field!

coniferman

July 10, 2009, 4:52pm (report abuse)

If you are talking about the qualifications of Hoffa,Jr. ( the current president of the Teamsters)he is a lawyer with a specialty in labor law.

farronfolbright

(logged in user) July 11, 2009, 6:46am (report abuse)

WOW!! What a "thread". Unfortunately, this "situation", "problem", "revision", or whatever word is being used to identify the request to modify the language within a specific area of The Railway Labor Act aka, The RLA (originally written in 1926) will not be resolved so simply. The perceived purpose of the revision, in this particular case, UPS, Inc. whining because FedEx Express gets to be a part of The Railway Labor Act and they're stuck with the stupid National Labor Relations Act aka, The NLRA (originally written in 1946).

I could be wrong (about everything. You don't know me, I could be here for the sole purpose of creating and spreading disinformation, ok actually that would be a dual purpose..............wait, forget that 'cause it's not true.)

farronfolbright

(logged in user) July 11, 2009, 8:42am (report abuse)

As I was saying--I could be wrong (except I'm not), but if you're dyslexic you can forget about keeping the facts straight about RLA, NLRA, UPS, FedEx, Ground, Express, Next Day Air and all the other acronyms and abbreviations characteristic to the transportation industry. Even if you're not, or better yet, even if you're a savvy lawyer specializing in labor law, it's doubtful you'll be able to keep the facts straight.

Do you want to know why?

It's a sad truth, maybe cliche', obviously distorted by it's own revelation, BUT, the love of money IS the root of all evil.

NOT money, but the LOVE of money.

For those of you who are not following (for whatever reason), it means, "Follow the money."

farronfolbright

(logged in user) July 11, 2009, 8:46am (report abuse)

Sorry, but 1,000 characters is just not cuttin' it!

The internet is a very wonderful, powerful, and enlightening tool for those who choose to put forth a little effort to find what they are looking for. Over the course of about 6 hours I read some of the RLA, NRLA, and a plethora of interpretations and opinions spanning the last 60 or so years and I have concluded that anything relating to any of this, having been originally submitted more than 10 years ago, should be torn up, erased, destroyed, and forgotten, and all things related to any of this should be evaluated in accordance with what is standard, acceptable, honest, and descent practices today. It's just not rational to keep revising, amending, and rewording laws and codes written 40, 50, 60......230ish years ago meant for the governing of the people of that respective era. (sh*t, it's late, I'm tired, you know what I'm saying, and if you don't this next part is especially for you)

fed up with fed ex

July 14, 2009, 5:50pm (report abuse)

I work for fed ex for 11 years and im just fed up. They have almost taken everything they could take plus sum. We need this to pass. they now what the results will be less executive pay and bonuses.

TonyJT

July 14, 2009, 6:00pm (report abuse)

FedEx is the only company in the transportation industry with drivers, package handlers, and other non-airline employees covered by the Railway Labor Act.

Bailout? lol

UPS is the strongest company in it's industry and is not seeking a "BAILOUT" from Congress....the company is working to eliminate the advantage given ONLY to FedEx.

When Fedex delivers a package to your door it is not delivered by a pilot of an airplane, the package must be placed on the truck and delivered by a driver to your door.

Fedex should fall under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) as does all other commercial drivers in the US... ALL COMMERCIAL DRIVERS, not just UPS. This is not just about FEDEX and UPS.

Brown Driver

July 15, 2009, 4:01pm (report abuse)

Alot of good opinons and aruments. Unfortunately the Union and UPS wants the upper hand in our industry. I will not be writing a letter to my congressman, as UPS wants us to do, because I do not agree with their agenda, and will not bring "fairness" in the industry. You dont like your job? Look for another one. ;o)

Brown

July 16, 2009, 2:56pm (report abuse)

FedEx introduced a last piece of legislation years ago and last minute so that they will fall under the RLA and not under regular labor rules which makes all other companies yes including UPS not be able to compete fairly. FedEx has no business being under railroad laws since they are a delivery Co. I'm a conservative republican and not too fund of unions and many cases, but I also want my company (UPS) to be able to compete fair. Is up to FedEx employees if they want to go union but when our contracts finish and FedEx makes threats to customers about us going to strike and their excempt because of a law protecting them, then I have a problem! I don't like democrats but in this case, well I hate to tell you guys but its a majority of democrats in the senate, and they will probably side with a union company this time rather than not!.

DJC

July 17, 2009, 4:28pm (report abuse)

This is not about FedEx, or UPS, It is about giving the employee a chance to voice his opinion. (union or not) It does not automatically turn FedEx into a union shop if it passes,but entitlies the employees a chance to reap the benefits that goes with becoming union, if they so wish. Fred Smith has kept the employees under thumb for long enough. To read the FedEx sponsored blog you would think it was paradise,but try to make a relevant comment and you get censored. Can Fred see the writing on the wall and realize the majority of his working class employees are not brainwashed as the others that profess the happiness at Freddyland! This will pass in it's entire form, and be a great victory for working class employee! BE PREPARED! VERY PREPARED!!!HA!HA!HA!!!

Truth Part 2

July 17, 2009, 4:54pm (report abuse)

Now FedEx is both ground and air like 46 of their competitors which are NOT classified under the RLA. Companies like UPS which like FedEx is a ground and air delivery company. The reauthorization simply corrects the misclassification to make FedEx be under the same laws that govern 46 other competitors in it's industry. It also makes provisions for FedEx employees to have their Federal right to unionize a better reality. All US citizens have the right by Federal Law to unionize however certain labor laws make thos more difficult and that is why FedEx is fighting this reclassification along with their not wanting to be appropiately classified with their competitors.

UPSer

July 21, 2009, 11:09am (report abuse)

UPS is coercing it's employees to hand-write letters to their senators for the support of this bill. However they do not provide an explanation of what the bill is nor do they give them a choice. They (upper management) herd them into a room and give them 4 pieces of paper and 4 envelopes along with a pre-written letter they are to copy. They proceed to chant the mantra that this law makes it 'fair' and it will put FedEx on 'a level playing field'. All the while dodging legitimate questions about what the letter is for and saying things like, 'fair' and 'it's the right thing to do, never giving any facts. I know because I'm a supervisor at UPS. We were given clear instruction that we 'WILL' write these letters. We were never given the option. After not writing the letter and respectfully disagreeing with my superior, I am harassed and looked down upon by the rest of the management team. I fear for my job as one of the other supervisors told me I was on the black list. Thanks UPS

DJC

July 21, 2009, 1:49pm (report abuse)

UPSer, herded, coerced, harrassed, and blacklisted! Wow! You just made a strong argument for the need for the union. Thank You!
The reason they probably didn't explain, is they assumed you knew what was going on in the world around you! Myself I knew nothing about the letter writing campaign, and jumped at the chance when I was told. Nobody was coerced or herded, we were asked if we would like to and that was it. I know some like to exaggerate and want to be the victim all the time in this case it just wan't so. Save all the whining, and conspiracy theories for The Brown Cafe! Shame on your local if that is what happened, but bottom line is there mis no reason you shouldn't write those letters. Maybe the p/timers have trouble with it but thje fact that fedex is trying to mislead the public with the bailout ads should be enough to get you upset! In a matter of fact fedex accepted 100 million in a bailout after 9/11, no word of that?

farronfolbright

(logged in user) July 22, 2009, 4:35pm (report abuse)

UPSer is exactly right. Management doesn't "ask" you anything. They take you to a conference room in small groups and "tell" you to write two letters to each congressperson. Management personnel are not union employees so the union won't be protecting his job. So, what is the punishment for not writing the stupid whiny letters? At DFW airport, you get sent to the worst area in the hub. This is no conspiracy theory, it's a fact. It's happening this very week to my best friend's part time supervisor. THE ONLY reason is because he refused to write letters about something he was unfamiliar with. Where's the justice and morality in that? There's not any. So, DJC, it sounds like you're one of those UPS managers, here to downplay any UPS wrongdoing that may come up. Well, it's no surprise.

patfdx1

July 23, 2009, 11:13am (report abuse)

It makes sense that fedex ex press accepted some money after 9/11 considering it is an airline! all airlines were impacted and since express (airline) is about 75% of all the fedex revenue, it was impacted much more than a company that primarily relies on trucks.

if unions are so good, why do sorters/loaders in fedex express make more and have better benefits? just face the facts that some areas pay better at other companies.

i like my job. i wish my benefits weren't cut, but fedex has done more to keep jobs - especially couriers who, to my knowledge, have not been laid off during recession.

factfinder

July 24, 2009, 8:58am (report abuse)

Hey,

Courier - They did not take away your pension. It changed for the better.
Now, before you get too down on FedEx, go talk to a YRC employee - 15% pay cut - pay freeze for 5 years. PENSION cuts for 18 months. Job security - 10 years furlough instead of 5. (Wow, I can be unemployed for 10 years instead of 5!) All Teamster brothers having this pushed on them by their Union. My vote would be to keep the playing field you have. Take 15% of your current salary and the $80.00 a month for Union Dues...

factfinder

July 24, 2009, 2:51pm (report abuse)

I love all the "Posers" on here that say they work with FedEx and then say something dumb like, "we lost our pension" or, "FedEx Ground is part of the RLA." Al they are trying to do is say they work with FedEx and then show their "Union" talking points they have been handed. You guys need to go console your YRC teams. They are about to take a lubing thanks to their Union. The post are so funny, The situation for YRC is so serious.....I'm sorry for you guys at YRC......

capta320

July 25, 2009, 12:24am (report abuse)

Some of these postings are not correct We are treated like pawns in the greed driven FEDEX. Pension frozen. (Based on best 5 yrs before frozen). Oh yeah thats a good deal for me. Guess wont be making more pay in the coming years.No 401 K match Pay cut over 20 % this year. Health care cost going up again. Only 90 % hospital coverage.Hope dont get sick Oh and FEDEX Health Care Plans are self-insured CIGNA manages them.
It s our turn now..a decent wage for hard work

DJC

July 25, 2009, 3:36pm (report abuse)

It's not about the Teamsters, or UPS, it's about closing the loophole fedex has exploited for so long. No one says fedex has to go union but maybe with just having that choice, fedex would compensate their employees fairly.

patfdx1

July 27, 2009, 12:06pm (report abuse)

capta - our pensions have not been frozen. your benefits under the TPB no longer accure and you are under the PPA. there ups and downs to every plan, but at least you will have the ability to take a monthly annunity under TBP and a lump sum (should you decide) under PPA.

what is your answer to unionized companies that have done the same or even worse (YRC)? union or not these are hard times.

capta320

July 28, 2009, 12:24am (report abuse)

patfdx1. look at a Fedex Pension vs Ups Teamster Pension Same years of service $1900 for FedEx over $3000 for UPS. Plus over $ 600 per month taken out of FEDEX pension for medical.
Look at how 401K plans have done over last yr the PPA is a fancy name for one. Why change it in first place ..oh for company greed.
Well Yellow Freight having problems due to its merger with Roadway Express. Oh Roadway the company that Fred got RPS aka FedexGround from.
Hope you will be able to retire someday. By then retire medical benefits will be $1000 month..I am FED UP with Fedex

patfdx1

July 28, 2009, 1:48pm (report abuse)

how many years of service do you have? you may have the best of both worlds? also remember the new pension is more portable, flexible and provides more options.

i will be able to retire. i plan to use my tbp as a monthly annunity and cash out my ppa and reinvest. sorry your bitter man.

DJC

July 29, 2009, 1:55pm (report abuse)

Why is YRC even an arguement in regards to this bill? When fedex supporters have nothing to say it always pops up? Somebody clue me in! Are they even mentioned in the FAA Reauthorization Bill?

Willie

July 29, 2009, 8:30pm (report abuse)

Does anyone know the currnet status of this bill. My understanding is that the Senate subcommittee on transportation has voted on it. Did the bill go through with all of the House provisions in it?

James

July 30, 2009, 10:28am (report abuse)

Hey, it's DJC from the BB blogs!!

Why do people who support the bill cite UPS??? The common factor here is the unions. Those that support it will cite what UPS has done/accomplished. Those against it will cite other companies like YRC, the auto industry, etc. and how they've failed.

DJC

July 30, 2009, 12:52pm (report abuse)

Hi James, Like on the other one, rhetoric but no substance! Now tell me one more time why it is the unions fault that YRC is struggling during hard economic times. In a matter of fact Mgmt. and the union are working together to help YRC weather the economic storm. Pay cuts, pension frozen, No 401k match, does that sound familiar? Well everybody is cutting back if you didn't know, union or not. Please, your argument about the auto workers, the rank and file didn't design the gas guzzlers that made American cars undesirable, they only built them. The price tag on a foreign car and American made are in the same ballpark,so do not blame the union for jacking up the price. Evidently those that oppose this bill all recieved the same keywords for their argument. It doesn't fly in the real world maybe it does in Freddyland!

James

July 30, 2009, 1:42pm (report abuse)

DJC - It's not entirely the unions fault, but they certainly haven't helped. You could compare this to mgmt starting the fire and unions adding fuel to it. Gas guzzlers (not what anyone is touting these days, though) and inflated wages = recipe for disaster.

Do you remember econ 101? Leveraging jobs and passing costs on to the consumers are what unions do best.

See you back on BB.

G. James

August 31, 2009, 10:49am (report abuse)

After reading through all this I don't think our so-called "Government" has any business with their sticky fingers in bloody cookie jars of Unions. I'm sick and tired of the Feds getting in the way of everything and anything - get out and stay out you stinkin miserable Red Coats.

Kevin

September 27, 2009, 4:44pm (report abuse)

C.S said "I work for Fedex Express and it is stupid for us delivery drivers to fall under the RLA and I hope we get properly placed under the NLRA.Truck drivers and delivery drivers have no place being classified as aviation workers.IF we get placed under the NLRA then Fedex will have to pay us comparable wages to UPS. Right now I make $15.29 an hr while UPS drivers make around $30 an hr.Now does everyone see why Fedex wants to keep us under the RLA?"

I have worked for FedEx for 8 years and make $17.37 an hour driving tractor trailer vs. a UPS van driver who told me that they make $30 an hour. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not for a union or against one but I would like to work in an environment where that decision is mine and not managements. Anyone who says different hasn’t worked for the same company that I have.

James

September 29, 2009, 4:07pm (report abuse)

Express can organize, as a whole.

The Mayor

October 23, 2009, 10:08pm (report abuse)

I've been with FedEx Express for almost 20 years, and I can attest to the fact that things have definately gotten worse for us in regards to salary differences with UPS, pension, benefits, etc. but also just basic human treatment. Now some people have implied here that FedEx is a great place to work for, then I only have 1 question to ask.
If Fred wants to make sure that this vote doesn't pass and the RLA exemption stays intact for the company, then why doesn't he just allow 1 vote to his employees nationwide as the RLA status holds true to determine the outcome instead of all of this heated debate?
The answer is because he knows he will lose. Why do you think he created a false website (brownbailout) to post blatant lies? Why do you think he is spending tens of millions of dollars to prevent this from happening? If he truly wants an answer, then just let us all vote and give him the answer.

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